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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 1747313" data-attributes="member: 172">I don't suspect that this will prove much, as you have already demonstrated a willingness to ingore or downplay advantages I have sited, I don't suspect you will factor them in in your number crunching, either.(snip somewhat fair guestimates as to PP and spell slots)The problem here is that you assume that a low level power augmented to a higher level power is the equivalent of an unaugmented high level power of the same cost. It might match damage or DC (but oft times only one or the other), but often lacks other advantages that higher level powers have.Further, you are still not factoring in the fact that arcane casters are getting more bang for their buck out of their lower level power slots. A 3rd level fireball from a sorcerer can do 10d6 points of damage, while a psion has to pay 10 power points (the equivalent of a 5th level spell) to do the same amount. You express things in terms of fully augmented powers and ignore the fact that those fully augmented powers may be no better than one of a sorcerer's lower level powers.Consider each psion PP as a dice of damage and apply the standard damage caps from the DMG as a weight to each level (or the arcane caster's level, whichever is worse), and you have a more realistic picture of their comparative power in terms of raw damaging potential. (Again, like your examples, it does not paint a complete picture, but it does shine a light on an area you are neglecting). For reference, a 10th level sorcerer will have 275 dice of damage power, compared to the psion's 113 (assuming a 20 in prime stat).Which neglects the advantages each have as well.Since spell scribing costs increase linearly and wealth increases exponentially, that's a faulty assumption for any competantly played wizard.Again, that does not mean that a 5th level (or 3rd level or 1st level) power augmented to 8th level is as powerful as an 8th level power. But the psion would have to be spending points in that fashion just to keep up with the sorcerer. A 10th level psion would have to spend the power point equivalent of a 5th level spell to do as much damage as a 3rd level fireball.Another estimate I do not agree with. Especially not "in most cases." While in some cases a wizard may want to pick up a few spells in a similar chain, in most cases, they skip around a little. A sorcerer would be especially foolhardy to squander slots similar to slots they already have unless they are planning on dumping the earlier ones.And neglects such factors as the wizard leaving open slots to access WAY more spells than the psion could ever hope to.Which is an argument made in the same breath as asserting that psions can outblast a sorcerer -- at the cost of squandering all of their PP for the day. Yes, flexibilty is an advantage. But as overhead is more for a psion, they pay for that advantage.If you stack the deck and ignore advantages of arcane casters compared to psions, yeah.</blockquote>

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