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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1747556" data-attributes="member: 478">Cute! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Ahem. Plenty powers are (globes of invulnerability aside, which really is an almost neglectible factor) upgradeable to the power of a higher level. Powers do not work like spells on that behalf, they actually become higher level versions of themselves effectively (except for the actual level, which stays the same, of course). Arcane Construct? Dominate? Suggestion? Dispel? Just to name some random examples.How does full augmentation not factor this in!?I compared fully augmented powers with spells there. Only fully augmented powers!Please tell me, how full augmentation does not factor in the scaling of arcane spells.*blink*Not better?Well, taking the fireball example, if you consider a +2 DC, +10 damage, chooseable save type and energy type not better, than I cannot help you, I guess. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />What kind of completely useless comparison is this!? Who cares for these numbers, they have no bearing on actual game play. My numbers do, they show what the classes can actually do and are no hypothetical statistics with no meaning, multiplying some random numbers with other random numbers. Yes, I understand what you are getting at, but what does it show to add up those numbers, that sorcerers look better, if you add up the whole scaling they get and compare it to a psion removed of all advantages they have? Wow! Genius!And you honestly tell me I would neglect something there? Doh! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />*scratches head* Now you lost me... or did I lose you above? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />And the next thing you say is, that the scribing cost is a neglectable cost factor, huh? Suuure! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Maybe at epic levels... but my 12th level wizardess had to spend a considerable amount of gold on her spellbook alone, to get this broad selection wizards have.Yeah, of course wizards would not upgrade the spells they actually use (either directly to a higher level version of the same spell, or something fairly similar)... why should they!?"Way more" is a huge overstatement, but more, of course, maybe 20% or so. However 15 minutes to instant is still quite some difference. Not everytime, but also leaving slots open means to have less spells available at the moment. Yes, this ability is good, I'm using it extensively when I play wizards, but it's not even in the same ball park as spontaneous casting.And way too little as shown above, since they can keep up with the sorcerer quite good, even if they pay full price for every power they manifest. If you go down to an augmentation level, which makes the effect of the power compareable to the spells of the sorcerer, which is not the maximum possible, mind you, the numbers look even worse, but I deliberately chose a point, which would be extremely slanted against the psion (full augmentation on all powers means the quickest way to blast through all those PP, so the cost you mention all the time is at its peak there), and even then, things do not look that bad, I'd say. If I look at all the stuff I've listed, which psions get over sorcerers, then I can with absolute confidence say, that this cost is not enough!Yep, sure. Stacking the deck, since I compare the psion to the best ability from each sorcerer (spells per day) and wizard (spells known) instead of the weakest... Stacking the deck against the arcanists maybe... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />ByeThanee</blockquote>

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