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<blockquote data-quote="two" data-source="post: 1751248" data-attributes="member: 9002">Good pointVery good point.&nbsp; I was definately in the &quot;3.0 haste is an absurd 3rd level spell&quot; camp, and we all know what happened to that spell in 3.5.&nbsp; I don't think many people have house-ruled 3.0 haste into 3.5 campaigns.&nbsp; (some have, I'm sure, not many).&nbsp;&nbsp; I honestly do think 3.5 is a better game with haste nerfed, without doubt.I guess the question is (which I'm not clear on, really):&nbsp; how MUCH damage can a Psion really do in 3 rounds?For example, what's a Psion's damage output for 3 rounds of combat, 3 times per day (9 total rounds)?Is it really significantly higher than a sorcerer's 3 rounds of owie?&nbsp; (by a significant margin)?Unless my math is bad, by the way, a +2 or +3 advantage on DC of psionic stuff vs. spell stuff should be &quot;calculable&quot;.&nbsp; I'm no whiz, but...If the fireball spell is DC 18,and the Psion effect is DC 20,doesn't that mean that 2/20 of the time the Psion will do full damage, while the spell only does half damage, so add something like 1/10 * full psionic damage to the psionic damage average output?&nbsp; Plus maybe up the DC by 1 or 2 to account for energy-type specification and save specification (just for the math).Or something like that?&nbsp; I'm sure I screwed it up.&nbsp;&nbsp; Ignore me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="two, post: 1751248, member: 9002"] [b]Good point[/b] Very good point. I was definately in the "3.0 haste is an absurd 3rd level spell" camp, and we all know what happened to that spell in 3.5. I don't think many people have house-ruled 3.0 haste into 3.5 campaigns. (some have, I'm sure, not many). I honestly do think 3.5 is a better game with haste nerfed, without doubt. I guess the question is (which I'm not clear on, really): how MUCH damage can a Psion really do in 3 rounds? For example, what's a Psion's damage output for 3 rounds of combat, 3 times per day (9 total rounds)? Is it really significantly higher than a sorcerer's 3 rounds of owie? (by a significant margin)? Unless my math is bad, by the way, a +2 or +3 advantage on DC of psionic stuff vs. spell stuff should be "calculable". I'm no whiz, but... If the fireball spell is DC 18, and the Psion effect is DC 20, doesn't that mean that 2/20 of the time the Psion will do full damage, while the spell only does half damage, so add something like 1/10 * full psionic damage to the psionic damage average output? Plus maybe up the DC by 1 or 2 to account for energy-type specification and save specification (just for the math). Or something like that? I'm sure I screwed it up. Ignore me. [/QUOTE]

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