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<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4287117" data-attributes="member: 40961">Hmm.&nbsp; I think its pretty clear there's a problem.&nbsp; Specifically, the problem has to do with the fact that a &quot;medium difficulty&quot; on a single d20 roll generates a &quot;very high&quot; difficulty when you have to make many d20 rolls.&nbsp; Even a &quot;low difficulty&quot; on a d20 roll produces a higher than expected difficulty if you have to do it multiple times.That being said, I'll have to look more closely to see if I expect any real problems of my own when using the skill challenges.&nbsp; Take the Negotiation skill challenge from the excerpt.&nbsp; It has 3 skills which are recommended as &quot;moderate,&quot; and one which is recommended as &quot;easy.&quot;&nbsp; I will almost definitely be granting +2 bonuses for roleplaying, and the use of &quot;aid another&quot; is explicitly noted as a possibility (though not for Diplomacy, which I don't get, I'm assuming that's an oversight since using aid another for bluff makes equal sense as using it for diplomacy).&nbsp; There's also a note that the PCs might carry out tasks to obtain the NPC's favor, which in a way is a free success in the skill challenge.Other skill challenges have similar matters which reduce their difficulty.&nbsp; For example, a skill challenge relating to physical activity is going to end up being a mixture of &quot;easy/moderate/difficult&quot; DCs, and objective DCs from the skill section of the PHB.&nbsp; The objective DCs could either increase or decrease the overall difficulty, but at least they give the players a chance to estimate the difficulty before deciding whether to go that particular route.So... I'll have to read more carefully.&nbsp; It may play acceptably well.&nbsp; But I do agree with the OP that giving the players a bunch of tasks with a 60% chance of success on each individual one, then expecting them to attain 8 successes before 4 failures, is not a good idea at all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 4287117, member: 40961"] Hmm. I think its pretty clear there's a problem. Specifically, the problem has to do with the fact that a "medium difficulty" on a single d20 roll generates a "very high" difficulty when you have to make many d20 rolls. Even a "low difficulty" on a d20 roll produces a higher than expected difficulty if you have to do it multiple times. That being said, I'll have to look more closely to see if I expect any real problems of my own when using the skill challenges. Take the Negotiation skill challenge from the excerpt. It has 3 skills which are recommended as "moderate," and one which is recommended as "easy." I will almost definitely be granting +2 bonuses for roleplaying, and the use of "aid another" is explicitly noted as a possibility (though not for Diplomacy, which I don't get, I'm assuming that's an oversight since using aid another for bluff makes equal sense as using it for diplomacy). There's also a note that the PCs might carry out tasks to obtain the NPC's favor, which in a way is a free success in the skill challenge. Other skill challenges have similar matters which reduce their difficulty. For example, a skill challenge relating to physical activity is going to end up being a mixture of "easy/moderate/difficult" DCs, and objective DCs from the skill section of the PHB. The objective DCs could either increase or decrease the overall difficulty, but at least they give the players a chance to estimate the difficulty before deciding whether to go that particular route. So... I'll have to read more carefully. It may play acceptably well. But I do agree with the OP that giving the players a bunch of tasks with a 60% chance of success on each individual one, then expecting them to attain 8 successes before 4 failures, is not a good idea at all. [/QUOTE]

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