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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Contents May Vary" data-source="post: 4289542" data-attributes="member: 66405">[EDIT: See later messages - I was neglecting to add 5 to the skill challenge DCs. If I do so, the figures below change to be comparable to the ones posted elsewhere]I don't believe that the figures presented in the tables in this thread are correct.I will present in my next posting a C# program that I wrote to check things out. In this post, I shall post the results of running that program.I'm going to concentrate here on easy, moderate and hard difficulty skill challenges for level 7 characters.I'm only going to present the results for a complexity 5 challenge, where you need to get 12 successes before failing 6 times.According to page 42 of the DMG, for level 7 characters the DCs of the challenges are as follows:Easy: 15Moderate: 19Hard: 23I will present the results for a single character attempting the challenge, with no assistance and for a variety of character skill levels.These are the results I got for a complexity 5 challenge:Easy challenge (DC = 15)Skill = 5, DC = 15, %success = 14.64Skill = 6, DC = 15, %success = 26.46Skill = 7, DC = 15, %success = 41.71Skill = 8, DC = 15, %success = 59.60Moderate challenge (DC = 19)Skill = 7, DC = 19, %success = 2.98Skill = 9, DC = 19, %success = 14.68Skill = 11, DC = 19, %success = 41.83Skill = 12, DC = 19, %success = 59.87Skill = 13, DC = 19, %success = 76.44Hard challenge (DC = 23)Skill = 9, DC = 23, %success = 0.31Skill = 11, DC = 23, %success = 3.05Skill = 13, DC = 23, %success = 14.62Skill = 15, DC = 23, %success = 41.94Skill = 16, DC = 23, %success = 59.78My interpretation:For an easy difficulty complexity 5 challenge, an unaided character's skill must be at least 8 to have a greater than 50% chance of success.For a moderate difficulty complexity 5 challenge, an unaided character's skill must be at least 12 to have a greater than 50% chance of success.For a hard difficulty complexity 5 challenge, an unaided character's skill must be at least 16 to have a greater than 50% chance of success.These numbers seem fairly reasonable to me. A hard challenge is going to be pretty hard... A reasonable high skill for a character at level 7 would be 13: +5 for training in that skill, +2 for racial bonus, +3 for ability bonus, +3 for 1/2 level. Such a character would only have around a 15% chance of passing such a hard challenge. That seems ok - it's supposed to be hard!If that character also had skill focus (for a skill of 16), they would have nearly 60% chance of passing.If instead another character aided them (for a skill of 15), they would still have more than 40% chance of passing.The moderate challenge would be very easy for such a character, even without the skill focus or another character's help.They would have a more than 75% chance of passing a moderate challenge.Seems fine to me...</blockquote>

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