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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sanackranib" data-source="post: 1623786" data-attributes="member: 8674">you cannot compair your proposed class to either rogue, wizard or any other core class on a 1 for 1 basis. you must look at how it stacks up with all the core classes. you also cannot compair to to a PrC since it has no prerecs and can be entered freely. if the poor fort save is the problem for you then drop the favored ref or wil save. really now no one should be good at everything - as I said thats one of the areas I have problems with in reguards to the monk.remember this class is not the only path to what is essentially a cleric PrC. and you want to get there as a non cleric. so your proposed class cant have all the benifits of the other classes or you will see all of your players just take that. you seem stuck on the fact that these guys are spellcasters 3 levels lower so they are weaker then the mage. with the favored saves, better hit points and more skills this is not so. also with no level cap they will rival wizards/sorcs and clerics for spells at higher level. consider the spell casting abilities or the bard, paladin and ranger, they will never rival those of the core casting classes and rightly so. they gain other abilities that off set the higher level spells/ broader spell lists/ and number of spells per day.the simplest solution is to either change the house rules to allow the spending of feats to improve the base save which btw doesnt cause any serious problems. or make a varient Ur Priest with slightly modified req's.</blockquote>

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