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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dyntheos" data-source="post: 1524078" data-attributes="member: 18529">I am just taking it straight out of the rules you even did the addition yourself but failed to see what you wrote. So I'll break it down for youCorrectHow can you add maximise twice?In your example you add it once to gain the 4th level slot, then after maximising it you add it again. You say it yourself "It's effective level is one" AFTER you use maximise. When you then add heighten to it and it changes it's effective level from one to 4.I mean hell you proved my own point then proceeded to tell me it was wrong?I find it amusing that alot of members here tend to have thier own interpretation of the rules and state it as gospel. You are stuck on adding heighten first then adding maximise to further increase it. There is nothing in the rules stating that is how it works, quite the contrary it talks about effective level and slots, something in which It's clear to me you can't seem to grasp.again with the SRD quoteThe spell in this case is a burning hands spell.  -  It's a first level spell.It's now being modified by a maximise feat. -  It's STILL a first level spell. (even though it uses a fourth level slot)Now you add Heighten to change it from a 1st level spell to a 4th level spell.Nowhere in the description of that feat does it state you MUST heighten a spell first before adding another metamagic feat. Something which it would appear most people are hell bent on doing.Please show me the mystical text you are all reading that tells me this? Because I sure as hell can't find it.</blockquote>

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