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<blockquote data-quote="rushlight" data-source="post: 1524966" data-attributes="member: 3801">Ok, several of you seem not to see things the way I now do...Can you give some rules proof of this?&nbsp; So far the only thing I've seen is that the application of feats is cumulative, but I pointed out that on pg 88 that the use of a metamagic feat essentially only affects one of the two spell levels (slot and effective being two seperate tracks).&nbsp; Regular metamagic feats move slot up, and Heighten moves up effective.&nbsp; &nbsp;Also, the wording of Heighten seems to point away from the &quot;everything stacks no matter what&quot; interpretation.&nbsp; It essentially says, &quot;The spell's level is the same as whatever slot it takes up&quot; which is different than &quot;The spell takes a +X level slot to memorize&quot;.&nbsp; &nbsp;Therein lies the difference.&nbsp; The text of the feat even spells it out, now that I know to look for it: &quot;Unlike other metamagic feats, Heighten Spell actually increases the effective level of the spell it modifies&quot;&nbsp; So it clearly works different that all the other metamagic feats - which counters the arguement that all metamagic feats, including Heighten, are applied in the same way.&nbsp; &nbsp;BTW, it was even worded that way in 3.0 for those keeping score at home, so I cannot see where the interpretation of Heighten Spell adding +X levels to a spell came from.&nbsp; There's no text anywhere to support that position, and none that I've found that indicates an order of application for metamagic feats...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rushlight, post: 1524966, member: 3801"] Ok, several of you seem not to see things the way I now do... Can you give some rules proof of this? So far the only thing I've seen is that the application of feats is cumulative, but I pointed out that on pg 88 that the use of a metamagic feat essentially only affects one of the two spell levels (slot and effective being two seperate tracks). Regular metamagic feats move slot up, and Heighten moves up effective. Also, the wording of Heighten seems to point away from the "everything stacks no matter what" interpretation. It essentially says, "The spell's level is the same as whatever slot it takes up" which is different than "The spell takes a +X level slot to memorize". Therein lies the difference. The text of the feat even spells it out, now that I know to look for it: "Unlike other metamagic feats, Heighten Spell actually increases the effective level of the spell it modifies" So it clearly works different that all the other metamagic feats - which counters the arguement that all metamagic feats, including Heighten, are applied in the same way. BTW, it was even worded that way in 3.0 for those keeping score at home, so I cannot see where the interpretation of Heighten Spell adding +X levels to a spell came from. There's no text anywhere to support that position, and none that I've found that indicates an order of application for metamagic feats... [/QUOTE]

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