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Heighten Spell + another Metamagic feat
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<blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1529538" data-attributes="member: 478"><p>Actually... yes... The only thing I have seen is, that the sage has <em>changed</em> the feat and that one has to live with that or something to that degree, completely ignoring all the effort spend on explaining it. Or waving it away with the stuff I quoted and replied to.</p><p></p><p>If I do have missed anything else, then I really have missed it! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I might have mixed up your and the thread starter's posts, tho.</p><p></p><p>You probably talk of this part here:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm puzzled how one can <em>not</em> read this as that Heighten Spell increases the spell level... or that the spell level increase is a result of the effective level increase. It nowhere says anything about by how much the effective level is increased, if you leave out the part, that the spell level is increased first. The heightened level, which is talked about later in the feat description, where it states, that all effects are calculated from that level, can only be the spell level, which is used as a base for the effective level. Without the increase in spell level, the feat becomes completely pointless.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just a little note here... it says, that it increases the effective level of the spell that it modifies. But what does it modify, if not the spell level? How can it 'only' increase the effective level?</p><p></p><p>The only real problem is, that - since Heighten Spell is variable - the wording for the spell level increase is different. It uses up a higher spell slot and raises the effective level accordingly. That's what it does.</p><p></p><p>And just for the record... in <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1528895&postcount=60" target="_blank">THIS</a> post, I have stated what I think about the balance issues.</p><p></p><p>And yes, I think Heighten Spell is almost useless, unless you are a sorcerer, in which case it is very good. The 'house rule' version would make it better for other spellcasters to a degree that metamagic becomes more useful, but it would then be extremely potent for sorcerers (but not yet unbalancing).</p><p></p><p>Bye</p><p>Thanee</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thanee, post: 1529538, member: 478"] Actually... yes... The only thing I have seen is, that the sage has [i]changed[/i] the feat and that one has to live with that or something to that degree, completely ignoring all the effort spend on explaining it. Or waving it away with the stuff I quoted and replied to. If I do have missed anything else, then I really have missed it! :) I might have mixed up your and the thread starter's posts, tho. You probably talk of this part here: I'm puzzled how one can [i]not[/i] read this as that Heighten Spell increases the spell level... or that the spell level increase is a result of the effective level increase. It nowhere says anything about by how much the effective level is increased, if you leave out the part, that the spell level is increased first. The heightened level, which is talked about later in the feat description, where it states, that all effects are calculated from that level, can only be the spell level, which is used as a base for the effective level. Without the increase in spell level, the feat becomes completely pointless. Just a little note here... it says, that it increases the effective level of the spell that it modifies. But what does it modify, if not the spell level? How can it 'only' increase the effective level? The only real problem is, that - since Heighten Spell is variable - the wording for the spell level increase is different. It uses up a higher spell slot and raises the effective level accordingly. That's what it does. And just for the record... in [url=http://www.enworld.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1528895&postcount=60]THIS[/url] post, I have stated what I think about the balance issues. And yes, I think Heighten Spell is almost useless, unless you are a sorcerer, in which case it is very good. The 'house rule' version would make it better for other spellcasters to a degree that metamagic becomes more useful, but it would then be extremely potent for sorcerers (but not yet unbalancing). Bye Thanee [/QUOTE]
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