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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Anselm" data-source="post: 8467289" data-attributes="member: 6978363">Oh, see they didn't remove action surge. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Very nice find. it's worth noting that this requires the third of the chain of feats and you have to take them with every ASI to have the option of getting this at level 12. The first has a prerequisite of fighter 3 wizard 3 so you get the first at character level 7. In addition, you'd have to be able to cast level three spells for the combo you mentioned (you can do the extra attack twice when you take the feat at character level 12 with level 2 spell slots) requiring level 5 wizard in this case and 3rd degree maneuvers so a level 8 fighter. It's a lot to nova out but if a player gave up having anything more than a +3 in their primary stat with standard array at level 13, they're going to miss half those shots anyway against high cr monsters. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />You could do that combo twice per long rest with 2 level 3 spell slots, 4 level 1 slots, 2 level 2 slots, and 4 of your 8 exertion, leaving 1 level 2 spell slot till a long rest and 4 exertion till a short rest.(Someone check all my math?)You'd get to do it more at higher levels but at a pretty slow progression. 1 more level in wizard doesn't get you the full combo again, for example since a level 6 wizard doesn't get any more level 2 slots. You'd need to be level 16 for wizard 8 and cast a heck of a lot of spells to do it 3 times. You'd also get one more attack two of those times using the 4th level spells. Wizard 9 (character level 17) doesn't get you another combo but does get you more that a 15 foot range with cone of cold. (Is there another cone spell besides burning hands before that?)Very cool combo but it requires so many resources and time to get there, I don't think it's game breaking or anything. Would be fun as hell to play with a nice magic bow though. So many dice...</blockquote>

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