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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 6273011" data-attributes="member: 4348">While Gord existed prior to Dragonlance(1984), I believe the Gord(1985) stories were actually published after Dragonlance.With Mordenkainen, I'm not as positive.  Mordenkainen was previously shown (1980) which was prior to Dragonlance, but I don't know he was represented as such.  I think we find out more of Gary's representation when they finally presented his stats (1984) almost the same period as Dragonlance, but the representation you state, I'm not certain that came out until later. However, with the actions you describe, I don't think was represented until Gary was out of TSR.  I believe that representation was more of a 2e thing, either in the build up, or when it actually was already out.Gary's Mordenkainen I think could be seen more like the Paladine of the Dragonlance series, if analyzed more carefully.  He did design the circle of eight, but for aspects more for the stability and balance of Oerth.  In that, they tried to balance the "alignments" if that's how we approach it which definitely could be the influence from which Dragonlance came with it's alignment ideas.  However, when we view the actual actions of the Circle, I believe it was almost always against some unbalancing force of evil.  That said, I was mistaken to a degree.  The idea of Neutral maintaining a balance can be traced to AD&D (1e) where it is stated that It's the next part which I think is more important and in many ways was less presented as time passed, with the portion above getting more attention then the portion below.Which I suppose would be the embodiment of the Circle of Eight and how it operates in regards to balancing everything out.In that aspect I suppose it could be seen from the Natural viewpoint (animalistic/Nature) or the Balancing Veiwpont (Mordenkainen/Circle of Eight).</blockquote>

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