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<blockquote data-quote="phindar" data-source="post: 4179064" data-attributes="member: 37198"><p>This came up in a game, not with an Efreeti but with evil cultists. We had found a Helm in their dungeon, captured a few of them, and after coverting them to the Good team, got them to map out the dungeon and tell us where the traps were.</p><p></p><p>It was a minor thorn in the GM's side. It was a module dungeon crawl so it didn't really matter, but the feeling was it was pretty cheezy. So some minor points were hashed out before this could crop up in a more serious game.</p><p></p><p>1) Helms of Opposite Alignment became one-shot items.</p><p></p><p>2) Brainwashing people was ruled to be morally shaky. (It is morally shaky, but to me it seems like a better option than letting evil people do evil and a wash with killing them.)</p><p></p><p>In the context of that game; a mega-dungeon meatgrinder bloodbath, we played it for laughs, and to ease in the mapping. I think we finally burned the Helm out after the few uses, but we had mapped most of the dungeon by that point and had good intelligence on where the cult leaders were located, so we didn't feel cheated. </p><p></p><p>Note: the argument against Helming people is that it deprives them of free will, but it doesn't really seem like this is an issue with certain creatures, the <em>Any</em> and <em>Always</em> aligned. If efreeti are <em>always</em> Lawful Evil then it doesn't seem like free will is a factor. </p><p></p><p>I would see such an efreeti becoming a pariah; loathed by the other extraplanars whose alignment he now shares, hated by his own kind. If a CG efreeti is a true impossibility, he may be marked for death by his lords, or go insane, or try to destroy himself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="phindar, post: 4179064, member: 37198"] This came up in a game, not with an Efreeti but with evil cultists. We had found a Helm in their dungeon, captured a few of them, and after coverting them to the Good team, got them to map out the dungeon and tell us where the traps were. It was a minor thorn in the GM's side. It was a module dungeon crawl so it didn't really matter, but the feeling was it was pretty cheezy. So some minor points were hashed out before this could crop up in a more serious game. 1) Helms of Opposite Alignment became one-shot items. 2) Brainwashing people was ruled to be morally shaky. (It is morally shaky, but to me it seems like a better option than letting evil people do evil and a wash with killing them.) In the context of that game; a mega-dungeon meatgrinder bloodbath, we played it for laughs, and to ease in the mapping. I think we finally burned the Helm out after the few uses, but we had mapped most of the dungeon by that point and had good intelligence on where the cult leaders were located, so we didn't feel cheated. Note: the argument against Helming people is that it deprives them of free will, but it doesn't really seem like this is an issue with certain creatures, the [i]Any[/i] and [i]Always[/i] aligned. If efreeti are [i]always[/i] Lawful Evil then it doesn't seem like free will is a factor. I would see such an efreeti becoming a pariah; loathed by the other extraplanars whose alignment he now shares, hated by his own kind. If a CG efreeti is a true impossibility, he may be marked for death by his lords, or go insane, or try to destroy himself. [/QUOTE]
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