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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3658078" data-attributes="member: 3929">Certainly. Suppose that the purpose of the Helm is strictly to protect society from Evil men, and has nothing to do with justice; what would you do to them before they were Helmed to claim that justice had been done? 100 lashes for rape and then Helming? 200 lashes for murder and then Helming? The post-Helm prisoner would know that the punishment was done to an Evil man, and that he is now a Good man, and wishes to stay that way. So he simply won't backslide because he wants to stay Good. He may be conflicted, but he'll be Good while being so.So what would you do to him to avenge the victims? Since that's what you're talking about.This problem only exists with the premisies that people don't regard having their free will ripped from them as a cost, and also that Helming is the only thing that happens to them. If they are incarcerated for the normal length of their sentence, found to be incorrigible, Helmed and then released, would this problem still exist?If you assume that the environment has more effect upon the individual than the individual has upon the environment he places himself in, your potential problem has merit.While at the same time a Chaotic Good group given the opportunity to kidnap and Helm the leader of a tyrannical and Evil government may see the Helm as an efficient and relatively bloodless way of destabilizing a regime. They may not use it as a punishment for prisoners, but it doesn't mean that it wouldn't be useless to them.Again. There are many litmus tests for alignment that will reveal your exact alignment. Layer them one after another and you'll have something that's extraordinarily reliable. How you use the Helm after that is up to you. If you wish to make truly Evil people Good, then you have the opportunity to do so. If you wish to make Chaotic rebels Lawful, you'll be in the same position. If you wish to target left-handed Chaotic Evil half-orcs, you may. It doesn't have to be wanton.</blockquote>

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