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<blockquote data-quote="green slime" data-source="post: 3660924" data-attributes="member: 1325">No, my mind isn't changed. Perhaps I just wasn't willing to state/argue my entire case on this board. IMO, Forcing alignment change is evil. There. Reiterated that. I agree with the case put forward by Celebrim. I also stated that in a previous post.Firstly, there is nothing in the modern society that we live in that can achieve this in a measurable way, so this comparison is invalid. We can't detect evil.Secondly, I'd rather avoid getting this thread closed by starting what would rapidly become a politicised discussion regarding the moral and ethical standards of modern America and other societies.That said, I stated my belief that no modern society is &quot;good&quot; per DnD definitions. The best we can achieve on this planet (IMNSHO) , is LN. And that opinion of mine has no bearing whatsoever on the issue at hand: Forcing alignment change through a curse. Lastly, of course a LN society can do Evil acts. They can do good acts as well. Somehow, it all gets weighed in the balance, and found to be just that: neutral. Of course a good society is held to higher standards, and expected to avoid Evil acts to a far greater extent. However, I find it hard to think of other conditions that a society could introduce to outweigh the Evil of forcing an alignment change upon dissenting citizens. How would modern americans view having a religion forced upon them? Could this possibly be regarded as a neutral act in america? And yet choice of divinity is only one of the multitude of attitudes that this cursed item is going to affect.Good people can get angry, frustrated, annoyed, and lash out in some inappropriate manner. So can societies. Being labelled &quot;good&quot;, &quot;neutral&quot; or &quot;evil&quot; only implies tendancies and attitudes. Notice, however, that it is far easier to fall from grace than retain it. So it requires a lot more work, effort, and consideration to retain a &quot;good&quot; aura, than to be mere neutral, or worse.So no, you'll have to look elsewhere for your &quot;change of mind in an alignment thread&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="green slime, post: 3660924, member: 1325"] No, my mind isn't changed. Perhaps I just wasn't willing to state/argue my entire case on this board. IMO, Forcing alignment change is evil. There. Reiterated that. I agree with the case put forward by Celebrim. I also stated that in a previous post. Firstly, there is nothing in the modern society that we live in that can achieve this in a measurable way, so this comparison is invalid. We can't [i]detect evil[/i]. Secondly, I'd rather avoid getting this thread closed by starting what would rapidly become a politicised discussion regarding the moral and ethical standards of modern America and other societies. That said, I stated my belief that no modern society is "good" per DnD definitions. The best we can achieve on this planet (IMNSHO) , is LN. And that opinion of mine has no bearing whatsoever on the issue at hand: Forcing alignment change through a curse. Lastly, of course a LN society can do Evil acts. They can do good acts as well. Somehow, it all gets weighed in the balance, and found to be just that: neutral. Of course a good society is held to higher standards, and expected to avoid Evil acts to a far greater extent. However, I find it hard to think of other conditions that a society could introduce to outweigh the Evil of forcing an alignment change upon dissenting citizens. How would modern americans view having a religion forced upon them? Could this possibly be regarded as a neutral act in america? And yet choice of divinity is only one of the multitude of attitudes that this cursed item is going to affect. Good people can get angry, frustrated, annoyed, and lash out in some inappropriate manner. So can societies. Being labelled "good", "neutral" or "evil" only implies tendancies and attitudes. Notice, however, that it is far easier to fall from grace than retain it. So it requires a lot more work, effort, and consideration to retain a "good" aura, than to be mere neutral, or worse. So no, you'll have to look elsewhere for your "change of mind in an alignment thread". [/QUOTE]

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