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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3661276" data-attributes="member: 3929">I agree. Often the threat of <s>violence</s> force works in its stead. And I suggest that the use of force in and of itself is not an Evil act.It is not evil to tackle a rapist off a victim. This is a blatant use of physical <s>violence</s> force against the rapist. Would you suggest that standing there watching saying, &quot;Stop. No. No, don't do that.&quot; is better? Because if the use of force is always and everywhere Evil, then there is no way to be Good other than to allow everything and everyone to do whatever they want to you and those you love. I cannot believe that physical force used to stop violent crime is in any way Evil.Can acts which use force be evil? Naturally. But is is not that they use physical force that causes them to be Evil.I retort:Walking across the street when not at an intersection is against the law. This does not make jaywalking evil.The use of force with regard to children is in some cases required. If your child walks out into the middle of a busy road, do you simply sit there and tell them to come back? Or do you rush out, grab them and... wait for it... physically forcefully pull them out of the path of oncoming traffic?Clearly, much like how jaywalking isn't evil because it's against the law, the use of force, even with regard to children, is not always and everywhere Evil. If that is the case, then there is something other than the force itself that causes a forceful action to be Evil or Good. You can't rubber-stamp an act Evil because there existed force.EDITED for word games.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Felix, post: 3661276, member: 3929"] I agree. Often the threat of [s]violence[/s] force works in its stead. And I suggest that the use of force in and of itself is not an Evil act. It is not evil to tackle a rapist off a victim. This is a blatant use of physical [s]violence[/s] force against the rapist. Would you suggest that standing there watching saying, "Stop. No. No, don't do that." is better? Because if the use of force is always and everywhere Evil, then there is no way to be Good other than to allow everything and everyone to do whatever they want to you and those you love. I cannot believe that physical force used to stop violent crime is in any way Evil. Can acts which use force be evil? Naturally. But is is not that they use physical force that causes them to be Evil. I retort: Walking across the street when not at an intersection is against the law. This does not make jaywalking evil. The use of force with regard to children is in some cases [i]required[/i]. If your child walks out into the middle of a busy road, do you simply sit there and tell them to come back? Or do you rush out, grab them and... wait for it... physically forcefully pull them out of the path of oncoming traffic? Clearly, much like how jaywalking isn't evil because it's against the law, the use of force, even with regard to children, is not always and everywhere Evil. If that is the case, then there is something other than the force itself that causes a forceful action to be Evil or Good. You can't rubber-stamp an act Evil because there existed force. EDITED for word games. [/QUOTE]

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