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<blockquote data-quote="green slime" data-source="post: 3662259" data-attributes="member: 1325">This is starting once again to tread into metaphysical quasireligion, and risk closure.Bullies are not protected, they are condemned. They initiate the violence. If it is wrong to commit violence upon another, how can the bully then be protected? In metaphysical terms, they are truly doomed.Martyrdom as an outcome is seen as a desirable consequence of many religions. Why? We living in a modern society, free from the &quot;shackles&quot; of &quot;irrelevant&quot; dogma may logically scorn and dismiss this aspect of moral and ethical living, yet it is obvious that it plays a large part in the consciousness of millions of people.In the end, I've found that all human experiences cannot be understood by logic alone. Instead, I reach a point at which I must conclude, emotions, not logic, rule here. I have repeatedly said, violence against others, in and of itself is evil, but must be viewed in context. If violence against others were basically a neutral act, it could be regarded as a solution to any problem or difficulty with little regard for consequences. Whereas, I would prefer it be regarded as a last solution. Resorting to violence while other possibilities/solutions remain untested suggests immaturity, lack of empathy, and an unwillingness to negotiate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="green slime, post: 3662259, member: 1325"] This is starting once again to tread into metaphysical quasireligion, and risk closure. Bullies are not protected, they are condemned. They initiate the violence. If it is wrong to commit violence upon another, how can the bully then be protected? In metaphysical terms, they are truly doomed. Martyrdom as an outcome is seen as a desirable consequence of many religions. Why? We living in a modern society, free from the "shackles" of "irrelevant" dogma may logically scorn and dismiss this aspect of moral and ethical living, yet it is obvious that it plays a large part in the consciousness of millions of people. In the end, I've found that all human experiences cannot be understood by logic alone. Instead, I reach a point at which I must conclude, emotions, not logic, rule here. I have repeatedly said, violence against others, in and of itself is evil, but must be viewed in context. If violence against others were basically a neutral act, it could be regarded as a solution to any problem or difficulty with little regard for consequences. Whereas, I would prefer it be regarded as a last solution. Resorting to violence while other possibilities/solutions remain untested suggests immaturity, lack of empathy, and an unwillingness to negotiate. [/QUOTE]

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