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<blockquote data-quote="green slime" data-source="post: 3662430" data-attributes="member: 1325">Yes.1) The slap on the back can be mistrued, misinterpreted, unwelcomed and ill-timed. Unless you know the person very well, it is inappropriate behaviour. However, given the level of actual force applied in this particular social situation, it may not even be regarded as violent. However, it isn't up to the slapper to decide if it is or not, but the person slapped. If that person turns around and punches you in the face, who was the transgressor? Was their response appropriate? Is it possible that you misunderstood the situation? That you forgot they had burnt their back in the sun yesterday, and are a tad irritable today?2) Why do you immediately escalate to restraining someone? In exactly what manner do you suggest to &quot;restrain&quot;? What if they, although apparently young, too suffer from some condition not immediately observable? What ever happened to a) offering your own seat instead, b) actually pointing out the old lady to the transgressor, and eventually c)verbally chastising the transgressor? I cannot condone violence in this situation.I do not regard a mild touch to be &quot;violent&quot;. I haven't stated that all physical contact with other beings and/or objects is evil, no matter how some posters may conspire to misconstrue my statements by applying scientific definitions to everyday words.Yes &quot;Force&quot; is a definite physical term. It is also an everyday term implying to go against the wishes of another. If someone welcomes your slap on the back, then it is hardly a violent, forceful action against that person's wishes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="green slime, post: 3662430, member: 1325"] Yes. 1) The slap on the back can be mistrued, misinterpreted, unwelcomed and ill-timed. Unless you know the person very well, it is inappropriate behaviour. However, given the level of actual force applied in this particular social situation, it may not even be regarded as violent. However, it isn't up to the slapper to decide if it is or not, but the person slapped. If that person turns around and punches you in the face, who was the transgressor? Was their response appropriate? Is it possible that you misunderstood the situation? That you forgot they had burnt their back in the sun yesterday, and are a tad irritable today? 2) Why do you immediately escalate to restraining someone? In exactly what manner do you suggest to "restrain"? What if they, although apparently young, too suffer from some condition not immediately observable? What ever happened to a) offering your own seat instead, b) actually pointing out the old lady to the transgressor, and eventually c)verbally chastising the transgressor? I cannot condone violence in this situation. I do not regard a mild touch to be "violent". I haven't stated that all physical contact with other beings and/or objects is evil, no matter how some posters may conspire to misconstrue my statements by applying scientific definitions to everyday words. Yes "Force" is a definite physical term. It is also an everyday term implying to go against the wishes of another. If someone welcomes your slap on the back, then it is hardly a violent, forceful action against that person's wishes. [/QUOTE]

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