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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3662566" data-attributes="member: 3929">My interjected arm has stopped you from doing what you had wanted to do. You asserted that forcing someone to do something was Evil. If it is categorically Evil then &quot;hardly a violent action upon [your] person&quot; is irrelevant. Unless you allow that some degrees of force are not Evil. In which case the manner in which the force is applied determines the morality, not the existance of force in the first place.I have attempted to define our terms and you refuse my definitions. Ok. Please define the terms you would like to use, violence seeming to be your favorite.If the act determines its own morality, then what does it matter how the act is perceived? I can understand the existance of both True Morality and perceived morality, but what place does perceived morality have in a conversation about True Morality, as this has become?What does his perception matter if my act of slapping him on the back has its own inherent morality?I don't know what &quot;better&quot; means in this instance. &quot;Good&quot;? &quot;Quicker&quot;? &quot;More telegenic&quot;? And please let's avoid politics in any form.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Felix, post: 3662566, member: 3929"] My interjected arm has stopped you from doing what you had wanted to do. You asserted that forcing someone to do something was Evil. If it is categorically Evil then "hardly a violent action upon [your] person" is irrelevant. Unless you allow that some degrees of force are not Evil. In which case the manner in which the force is applied determines the morality, not the existance of force in the first place. I have attempted to define our terms and you refuse my definitions. Ok. Please define the terms you would like to use, violence seeming to be your favorite. If the act determines its own morality, then what does it matter how the act is perceived? I can understand the existance of both True Morality and perceived morality, but what place does perceived morality have in a conversation about True Morality, as this has become? What does his perception matter if my act of slapping him on the back has its own inherent morality? I don't know what "better" means in this instance. "Good"? "Quicker"? "More telegenic"? And please let's avoid politics in any form. [/QUOTE]

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