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<blockquote data-quote="D+1" data-source="post: 1636818" data-attributes="member: 13654">Two problems.One; random rolls means RANDOM.&nbsp; It must be beaten into the thick skulls of players such as you describe that if their rolls suck but still pass minimums - you DID remember to institute minimums didn't you? - then they can just shut up.&nbsp; Really.&nbsp; Say these words to them: &quot;You rolled the dice.&nbsp; You WANTED to roll the dice.&nbsp; By rolling the dice you agreed to accept the results whatever they were.&nbsp; Now live with the results and SHUT UP you pathetic, whining, powergaming, munchkin, girlie-men.&quot;Two; you started to give ground simply by beginning to offer them additional alternatives which they really aren't deserving of or entitled to.&nbsp; Now they will almost certainly not be satisfied until their stats match those of the high-rolling players.&nbsp; Immaturity knows no bounds.&nbsp; And by attempting to placate them you are simultaneously cheating the high-rollers out of their due as well.&nbsp; When THEY rolled well they did NOT do so with the understanding that all you have to do is complain long and loud enough and you'll simply get to roll until you get what you want.Unless of course you failed to institute decent minimums for those random rolls.&nbsp; By the book that means if (before racial adjustments) you have no score higher than 13, or the sum of your modifiers is 0 or less, you get to reroll.&nbsp; In practical terms if you're just over that threshold your character's gonna suck.&nbsp; In comparison to really decent stat rolls of other characters, as a player you're gonna be rather torqued.If so, then TALK to all your players.&nbsp; Ask them what THEY think the minimums ought to be and why.&nbsp; Write down these minimums so there can be no argument, EVER.&nbsp; Let the whiny wankers reroll - and let the NON-whiners reroll too, to try for even better stats.&nbsp; Fair is fair after all.&nbsp; Then tell everyone you never want to hear those complaints again and do NOT bring it up again yourself.If anyone so much as quivers a lip then you can justifiably throw a fit and quit on the spot, telling them you cannot sanely commit yourself to a long-term campaign that starts out with a train-wreck right at character creation.&nbsp; If they get back in line, refuse to let ANY of the existing characters be used.&nbsp; Start over and reiterate that if they roll badly again they can like it or walk out the door because you don't need their crap.Just MHO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="D+1, post: 1636818, member: 13654"] Two problems. One; random rolls means RANDOM. It must be beaten into the thick skulls of players such as you describe that if their rolls suck but still pass minimums - you DID remember to institute minimums didn't you? - then they can just shut up. Really. Say these words to them: "You rolled the dice. You WANTED to roll the dice. By rolling the dice you agreed to accept the results whatever they were. Now live with the results and SHUT UP you pathetic, whining, powergaming, munchkin, girlie-men." Two; you started to give ground simply by beginning to offer them additional alternatives which they really aren't deserving of or entitled to. Now they will almost certainly not be satisfied until their stats match those of the high-rolling players. Immaturity knows no bounds. And by attempting to placate them you are simultaneously cheating the high-rollers out of their due as well. When THEY rolled well they did NOT do so with the understanding that all you have to do is complain long and loud enough and you'll simply get to roll until you get what you want. Unless of course you failed to institute decent minimums for those random rolls. By the book that means if (before racial adjustments) you have no score higher than 13, or the sum of your modifiers is 0 or less, you get to reroll. In practical terms if you're just over that threshold your character's gonna suck. In comparison to really decent stat rolls of other characters, as a player you're gonna be rather torqued. If so, then TALK to all your players. Ask them what THEY think the minimums ought to be and why. Write down these minimums so there can be no argument, EVER. Let the whiny wankers reroll - and let the NON-whiners reroll too, to try for even better stats. Fair is fair after all. Then tell everyone you never want to hear those complaints again and do NOT bring it up again yourself. If anyone so much as quivers a lip then you can justifiably throw a fit and quit on the spot, telling them you cannot sanely commit yourself to a long-term campaign that starts out with a train-wreck right at character creation. If they get back in line, refuse to let ANY of the existing characters be used. Start over and reiterate that if they roll badly again they can like it or walk out the door because you don't need their crap. Just MHO. [/QUOTE]

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