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<blockquote data-quote="mirivor" data-source="post: 1639716" data-attributes="member: 7478">WARNING: RANT!I did not read all of the replies, so I apologize for any repetitions. Your players are nuts. &quot;18, 16 and a bunch of crap&quot;???!!!???!!!???!!!??!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?What on earth are they used to playing with?? Here is what I would do.... make them roll 3D6 six times. Let them put the stats in whatever order they wish, then play that group for a session or two. Then, when they realize how awesome it is to have an &quot;18, 16, and a bunch of crap&quot;, you restart the old campaign again. If they whine and mope and cry and pout, tell them in no uncertain terms that you think that 30 points to purchase stats is perfectly reasonable and that they will suffer your terms as you are the DM. Otherwise, they can take up the reins and sit on the other side of the screen. Good lord, what kind of stats do they want? It sounds to me like you have the misfortune of DM'ing a bunch of kids, as opposed to at least semi-mature gamers. Do they realize that a 10 is average? Do they know that 18 is near genius as far as intelligence goes? Make them role-play characters with stats that you feel your players possess in real life.... probably nothing above a 12... then re-assert your normal system, be it 4D6, 30 point buy, or whatever.I cannot stand players like that.... hope I didn't offend anybody. DM'ing is hard enough without cry-baby players in the mix. I personally give any and all such persons a size 9 1/2 shoe right in the behind as they walk out the door. AAAHHHHH! I feel better.....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mirivor, post: 1639716, member: 7478"] WARNING: RANT! I did not read all of the replies, so I apologize for any repetitions. Your players are nuts. "18, 16 and a bunch of crap"???!!!???!!!???!!!??!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!? What on earth are they used to playing with?? Here is what I would do.... make them roll 3D6 six times. Let them put the stats in whatever order they wish, then play that group for a session or two. Then, when they realize how awesome it is to have an "18, 16, and a bunch of crap", you restart the old campaign again. If they whine and mope and cry and pout, tell them in no uncertain terms that you think that 30 points to purchase stats is perfectly reasonable and that they will suffer your terms as you are the DM. Otherwise, they can take up the reins and sit on the other side of the screen. Good lord, what kind of stats do they want? It sounds to me like you have the misfortune of DM'ing a bunch of kids, as opposed to at least semi-mature gamers. Do they realize that a 10 is average? Do they know that 18 is near genius as far as intelligence goes? Make them role-play characters with stats that you feel your players possess in real life.... probably nothing above a 12... then re-assert your normal system, be it 4D6, 30 point buy, or whatever. I cannot stand players like that.... hope I didn't offend anybody. DM'ing is hard enough without cry-baby players in the mix. I personally give any and all such persons a size 9 1/2 shoe right in the behind as they walk out the door. AAAHHHHH! I feel better..... [/QUOTE]

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