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<blockquote data-quote="acorn_stasis" data-source="post: 7302714" data-attributes="member: 6923949">Yeah I think you understood the meaning of the words but not my intention. I was specifically interested in the situation of not having any plausible backing for the Help and wondering if the mechanics of the rules still granted it anyway as a consequence of sacrificing an action to take it. On the pages before this there have been some very good clarifying explanations which have helped me understand this part of the game much more clearly.It would be an error to assume that I am a player who does not enjoy explaining in detail his character behaviour and actions. That such players exist I can accept.Based on what most of the replies here have said, I am going to assume that an invisible familiar could reasonably apply maybe one or two rounds of Help while remaining invisible but expect diminishing returns and with the caveat to expect my DM enjoying the chance to spring a few surprises on my poor little Imp. The outside combat help (which is not Help) is more complex, requires matching proficiency in many cases and must make concrete sense in terms of the help actually helping. The rubric of, would the character alone be able to do this, is a helpful (pun) one.I feel I have learnt a lot and thank those who have contributed constructively to increasing my understanding.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="acorn_stasis, post: 7302714, member: 6923949"] Yeah I think you understood the meaning of the words but not my intention. I was specifically interested in the situation of [B]not[/B] having any plausible backing for the Help and wondering if the mechanics of the rules still granted it anyway as a consequence of sacrificing an action to take it. On the pages before this there have been some very good clarifying explanations which have helped me understand this part of the game much more clearly. It would be an error to assume that [I]I[/I] am a player who does not enjoy explaining in detail his character behaviour and actions. That such players exist I can accept. Based on what most of the replies here have said, I am going to assume that an invisible familiar could reasonably apply maybe one or two rounds of Help while remaining invisible but expect diminishing returns and with the caveat to expect my DM enjoying the chance to spring a few surprises on my poor little Imp. The outside combat help (which is not Help) is more complex, requires matching proficiency in many cases and must make concrete sense in terms of the help actually helping. The rubric of, would the character alone be able to do this, is a helpful (pun) one. I feel I have learnt a lot and thank those who have contributed constructively to increasing my understanding. [/QUOTE]

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