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<blockquote data-quote="ArmoredSaint" data-source="post: 4832898" data-attributes="member: 54539">I'm still not seeing evidence that the English lost at Bannockburn simply because their armour was too heavy.The original point you made that I responded to was: &quot;Heavy armor was not to the British favor&quot;.&nbsp; Most of the time, though, yes it was.&nbsp; Also from the link I posted:Once again, Bannockburn is not a referendum on the effectiveness of heavy armour.&nbsp; QED, the scots themselves were armoured.At least one chronicle of the battle of Flodden notes that the contingent of unarmoured highland scots present at the battle melted away under the arrow fire while the better-armoured scots &quot;abode the most dangerous shot of arrows, which sore them annoyed, but yet it hit them in some bare place, did them no harm&quot;.&nbsp; Now, Flodden field was so muddy, that many soldiers on both the English and Scottish sides took off their shoes for better purchase in the mud.&nbsp; Being more lightly armoured did not do those highlanders any good at all. I'm sure there were some among them who were pretty nimble fellows, but they still died because they weren't wearing adequate body armour.Sure, it might be tougher to hit a lightly-clad agile man, but it should be harder to hurt a man clad in steel armour.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ArmoredSaint, post: 4832898, member: 54539"] I'm still not seeing evidence that the English lost at Bannockburn simply because their armour was too heavy. The original point you made that I responded to was: "[I]Heavy armor was not to the British favor". [/I]Most of the time, though, yes it was. Also from the link I posted: Once again, Bannockburn is [I]not[/I] a referendum on the effectiveness of heavy armour. QED, the scots themselves were armoured. At least one chronicle of the battle of Flodden notes that the contingent of unarmoured highland scots present at the battle melted away under the arrow fire while the better-armoured scots "[I]abode the most dangerous shot of arrows, which sore them annoyed, but yet it hit them in some bare place, did them no harm[/I]". Now, Flodden field was so muddy, that many soldiers on both the English and Scottish sides took off their shoes for better purchase in the mud. Being more lightly armoured did not do those highlanders any good at all. I'm sure there were some among them who were pretty nimble fellows, but they still died because they weren't wearing adequate body armour. Sure, it might be tougher to [I]hit[/I] a lightly-clad agile man, but it should be harder to [I]hurt[/I] a man clad in steel armour. [/QUOTE]

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