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Help Balance a PrC? Knight of Tirisfal
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<blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 2465094" data-attributes="member: 13966"><p>Introducing, the Radiant Servant of Pelor, revisited and improved! *trumpets*</p><p>(joking, joking)</p><p></p><p>Um, yeah. This looks even more overloaded with goodies than the Radiant Servant of Pelor, to my eyes. It's certainly neat, but definitely far too powerful. Makes the Knight of the Chalice look like a fighter playing at being a paladin. Your Knight of Tirisfal has slightly tougher prerequisites (though attainable at a slightly lower level I think), but much greater benefits. The Knight of the Chalice has demon censuring that works similar to turning undead, but yours just has a saving throw and thus has no real limit on the power or number of demons to be affected. Your Fiendslaying is a bit weaker than their Demonslaying, but isn't restricted to chaotic evil outsiders like the Knight of the Chalice. Your PrC has lower hit dice and Will saves, but higher skill points, Sanctified Strike, and regular turning ability progression (the KotC only gets Censure Demons, no anti-undead stuff). The Knight of the Chalice has slightly superior spellcasting in some cases (against demons only, and even then only if their previous class was paladin rather than cleric), whereas your Knight of Tirisfal is better for clerics multiclassing and is only slightly inferior to the KotC in spellcasting as a paladin multiclass. Your PrC lacks the KotC's Courage of Heaven, Heavenly Devotion, Consecrated Aura, and Holy Aura, but instead has Nimbus of Light, Holy Radiance, and Burning Light, which are superior. Your PrC has at least Courage of the Light above and beyond the Knight of the Chalice's powers (and I'm pretty sure the KoT's broader benefits from other abilities also make it more powerful).</p><p></p><p>The Knight of the Chalice is already a potent prestige class, so yours could definitely use some powering down to avoid completely overshadowing clerics and paladins. I suppose I'd suggest removing the spellcasting advancement and the skill bonuses from Nimbus of Light, at the very least. Or reduce the BAB and something else. As it stands, the Knight of Tirisfal is at rather good for 1-3 levels of dipping before returning to another class, so you might consider moving Fiendslaying and/or Censure Demons up tto 4th-level or so. A cleric or paladin, as-is, gives up very little to dip into the PrC for 1-3 levels and getting some nice, broad benefits in return.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arkhandus, post: 2465094, member: 13966"] Introducing, the Radiant Servant of Pelor, revisited and improved! *trumpets* (joking, joking) Um, yeah. This looks even more overloaded with goodies than the Radiant Servant of Pelor, to my eyes. It's certainly neat, but definitely far too powerful. Makes the Knight of the Chalice look like a fighter playing at being a paladin. Your Knight of Tirisfal has slightly tougher prerequisites (though attainable at a slightly lower level I think), but much greater benefits. The Knight of the Chalice has demon censuring that works similar to turning undead, but yours just has a saving throw and thus has no real limit on the power or number of demons to be affected. Your Fiendslaying is a bit weaker than their Demonslaying, but isn't restricted to chaotic evil outsiders like the Knight of the Chalice. Your PrC has lower hit dice and Will saves, but higher skill points, Sanctified Strike, and regular turning ability progression (the KotC only gets Censure Demons, no anti-undead stuff). The Knight of the Chalice has slightly superior spellcasting in some cases (against demons only, and even then only if their previous class was paladin rather than cleric), whereas your Knight of Tirisfal is better for clerics multiclassing and is only slightly inferior to the KotC in spellcasting as a paladin multiclass. Your PrC lacks the KotC's Courage of Heaven, Heavenly Devotion, Consecrated Aura, and Holy Aura, but instead has Nimbus of Light, Holy Radiance, and Burning Light, which are superior. Your PrC has at least Courage of the Light above and beyond the Knight of the Chalice's powers (and I'm pretty sure the KoT's broader benefits from other abilities also make it more powerful). The Knight of the Chalice is already a potent prestige class, so yours could definitely use some powering down to avoid completely overshadowing clerics and paladins. I suppose I'd suggest removing the spellcasting advancement and the skill bonuses from Nimbus of Light, at the very least. Or reduce the BAB and something else. As it stands, the Knight of Tirisfal is at rather good for 1-3 levels of dipping before returning to another class, so you might consider moving Fiendslaying and/or Censure Demons up tto 4th-level or so. A cleric or paladin, as-is, gives up very little to dip into the PrC for 1-3 levels and getting some nice, broad benefits in return. [/QUOTE]
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