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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DarcKnyght" data-source="post: 713148" data-attributes="member: 10208">I guess my point more clearly is that it seems to me that Brawl and CMA are fighting styles. Why should I suddenly not know the fighting styles I have trained in simply by putting a piece of metal on my hand. I gain brawls abilities by taking the feat, by adding brass knuckles this should make my damage +1 and lethal. I still can not make attacks of opp and I still have them made against me. If what your saying is true when I add brass knuckles to a character with brawl he fights as though he did not know how to brawl doing 1d3 +1 lethal. If this were the case then anyone no matter how good they may be would only do 1d3 +1 lethal damage. If that were the case that info could have been put on the chart for damage with the weapon but it was not. That is because it is variable. If two equally matched boxers fight and one weights his gloves, the one with the weighted gloves will do more damage in the fight, but he is not going to lose out on his ability to box (brawl).I would still like to hear some opinions on why the Martial Artist cannot knockout punch. Unless knockout punch only requires Brawl but then can be used with CMA if you are doing only non-lethal dam. Then this actually makes sense. (That is what I am doing in my campaign.)One final thing on Brass Knuckles, the phrase "and turns the damage into lethal damage" seems clear to me that brass knuckles do lethal dam. To have them not do lethal damage seems silly (I do not mean that insultingly). If you are not sure go out to the store and check out a set (Opps! If you can find them, they are illegal in some states as they are considered lethal weapons)<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />By the way I did not mean to come off sounding so mad or rude in my last post but to clip a previous post over here like that was not an answer and it just seemed like a brush off. If that is the case fine I hope some others drop by and respond.</blockquote>

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