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<blockquote data-quote="DarcKnyght" data-source="post: 721203" data-attributes="member: 10208"><p>eer quite frankly I did drop it even after your insulting remark about the French which you seem to think was just fine. If you'll notice I went back on topic each time to try and turn this into a discussion. As I will again right now.</p><p></p><p>I do not advicate the stacking of the abilities of Brawl and CMA. I am simply saying that it is not overpowering that CMA users have access to knockout punch as well. </p><p></p><p>Dareoon check your math: brawl & brass knuckles 1d6 +1 +2 Str +2 improved melee smash THEN the crit modifier = 22 max dam on a x2 crit & 33 dam on a x3. But if you think in terms of a 3 on a d6 roll being avarage then your looking at 16 dam first punch on x2 and 24 dam on x3. I know it is just the first strike but that is all I am talking about letting CMA users get that knockout chance on the first hit as well.</p><p></p><p>I also beg to differ that CMA is all about "killing someone with your barehands" I have players who do not want to kill anyone, unless neccasary. CMA does lethal & NONLETHAL you choose. So when my CMA users are doing non-lethal dam why shouldn't they beable to try for a knockout punch in their first hit as well. Like I have demonstrated it is not overpowering to let them do this. In fact the feat is even worded in a way that does not prohibate it. Just because you have to have brawl to get the feat does not mean it can not be used with the non-lethal use of CMA. Well it seems cool to me anyway.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DarcKnyght, post: 721203, member: 10208"] eer quite frankly I did drop it even after your insulting remark about the French which you seem to think was just fine. If you'll notice I went back on topic each time to try and turn this into a discussion. As I will again right now. I do not advicate the stacking of the abilities of Brawl and CMA. I am simply saying that it is not overpowering that CMA users have access to knockout punch as well. Dareoon check your math: brawl & brass knuckles 1d6 +1 +2 Str +2 improved melee smash THEN the crit modifier = 22 max dam on a x2 crit & 33 dam on a x3. But if you think in terms of a 3 on a d6 roll being avarage then your looking at 16 dam first punch on x2 and 24 dam on x3. I know it is just the first strike but that is all I am talking about letting CMA users get that knockout chance on the first hit as well. I also beg to differ that CMA is all about "killing someone with your barehands" I have players who do not want to kill anyone, unless neccasary. CMA does lethal & NONLETHAL you choose. So when my CMA users are doing non-lethal dam why shouldn't they beable to try for a knockout punch in their first hit as well. Like I have demonstrated it is not overpowering to let them do this. In fact the feat is even worded in a way that does not prohibate it. Just because you have to have brawl to get the feat does not mean it can not be used with the non-lethal use of CMA. Well it seems cool to me anyway. [/QUOTE]
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