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<blockquote data-quote="DM-Rocco" data-source="post: 1545945" data-attributes="member: 14451"><p>Camarath, I can't find it off hand, but I recall reading somewhere it said you could stack them, perhaps it was in a forum in Dragon magazine. Reguardless, he would still have a 6/dr at the least, and that is good. </p><p> </p><p>The damage reduction does bring up a good point though, if you have admantine armor and invulnerability, do they stack. If they do, why wouldn't class dr?</p><p> </p><p>just found it, DMG page 292, your right, they don't stack, although O could have sworn I read they did somewhere, oh well.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p> </p><p>Okay, after reading that he wants to be able to go head to toe with a CR 20, I would have to say that this is a bit weak. First off, your DM is way to generous if you can handle a Tarrasque pre epic level, one on one. Even in a group the Tarrasque will rip most to shreds, although it can be done. Reguardless, Dragons, demons and Devils are your only other creature options for CR 20 play in a straight up fight so if you want someone to stand toe to toe with them, give them a high AC.</p><p> </p><p>Level 6 fighter, level 10 dwarven defender, 4 levels paladin</p><p></p><p>Basic Dwarf, change at your decresstion </p><p></p><p>Alignment: Any lawful</p><p></p><p>Feats</p><p>dodge</p><p>power attack</p><p>improved Critical Long sword (or whatever turns your crank for a one handed weapon)</p><p>Improved Initiative</p><p>combat expertise</p><p>weapon focus (pick a weapon)</p><p>weapon specialization</p><p>improved combat expertise</p><p>endurance</p><p>toughness</p><p></p><p>32 point buy</p><p>str 16 +6 enhancment bonus = 22</p><p>dex 12 + 2 level = 14</p><p>con 20 +3 level + 5 inherent =28</p><p>int 8 + 5 inhernet = 13</p><p>wis 8 </p><p>chr 6 </p><p></p><p>hit points: 10d10 (fighter) + 10d12 (dwarven defender) + 3 (toughness) + 180 (con) = 205-403 hit points + 40 hit points when in defensive stance</p><p></p><p>armor class: 10 +1 dex + 13 armor +9 shield + 5 dodge (4 if they are not your dodge target) up to +10 for combat expert + 5 for amulet of natural armor + 5 ring of protection = 47-58 + 4 for dodge in defensive stance up to a 62</p><p></p><p>initiative: +8</p><p>Fort: +5 (fighter) +7 (dwarven defender) +4 (paladin) + 9 (con) +5 (cloak) = 30</p><p>Will: +2 (fighter) +7 (dwarven defender) +1 (paladin) +5 (cloak) -1 (wis) = 14</p><p>Reflex: +2 (fighter) + 3 (dwarven Defender) + 2 (dex) + 1 (paladin) + 5 (cloak) = 13</p><p></p><p></p><p>Immune to crit hits and sneak attacks (armor)</p><p></p><p>Damage Reduction: 9/- 6(dwarven defender) 3 (armor)</p><p></p><p>skill ranks (does not include modifiers or what and when you use your tome to raise you int)</p><p>Intimidate 23 </p><p></p><p>languages: common, dwarf</p><p>magic items</p><p>manual of bodily health 137,000</p><p>Manual of Intelligence +5: 137,000 gp</p><p>long sword holy avenger: 60,000</p><p>ring of freedom of movement 40,000</p><p>ring of protection +5 50,000</p><p>gauntlets of STR +6 36,000gp</p><p>Full plate +5, heavy forification made of admantine 100,000gp</p><p>Tower shield +5 of reflection 126,000gp</p><p>Amulet of natural armor +5 50,000gp</p><p>claok of resistance +5 25,000</p><p>boots of speed 12,000</p><p></p><p>Okay, went a few levels of paladin because the CR 20 creatures love to give you diseases and fear effects, plus you can use the holy avenger, which is stil good at lower level. Modify the stats to your liking to make use of the CHR based saving bonus if you wish. Even at a 6 DR he is fairly strong since his AC can get as high as 63 when hasted, making the Tarrasque miss 50% of the time, pretty good since you will bemune to any crits. At that score, all of the demons, devils and dragons, including the CR 20's will miss completly, unless they use the natural 20 rule.</p><p> </p><p>The ring of freedom of movement prohibits the Tarrasque from swollowing you since he has to grapple to do it and the cloak of resistance helps out on saves big time. Only really weak in the energy department now since I switched the shield.</p><p> </p><p>If the AC is still to low for your guy, call upon your 20th level mage companion to enchant a other item, an item with a bonus not intended for use in an item, such as a pair of boots of infernal quickness +5 profane bonus to AC, as per page 285 DMG. If your DM is insane, or not thinking clearly, you could squeeze anther 20 points to AC through luck, sacred, profane and insight bonuses.</p><p> </p><p>Finally, there of course are other things you could do to this character to make it better, like add henchmen, make a speacial mount, go a completly different way with items or feats, but it is time for bed. See ya.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DM-Rocco, post: 1545945, member: 14451"] Camarath, I can't find it off hand, but I recall reading somewhere it said you could stack them, perhaps it was in a forum in Dragon magazine. Reguardless, he would still have a 6/dr at the least, and that is good. The damage reduction does bring up a good point though, if you have admantine armor and invulnerability, do they stack. If they do, why wouldn't class dr? just found it, DMG page 292, your right, they don't stack, although O could have sworn I read they did somewhere, oh well.:) Okay, after reading that he wants to be able to go head to toe with a CR 20, I would have to say that this is a bit weak. First off, your DM is way to generous if you can handle a Tarrasque pre epic level, one on one. Even in a group the Tarrasque will rip most to shreds, although it can be done. Reguardless, Dragons, demons and Devils are your only other creature options for CR 20 play in a straight up fight so if you want someone to stand toe to toe with them, give them a high AC. Level 6 fighter, level 10 dwarven defender, 4 levels paladin Basic Dwarf, change at your decresstion Alignment: Any lawful Feats dodge power attack improved Critical Long sword (or whatever turns your crank for a one handed weapon) Improved Initiative combat expertise weapon focus (pick a weapon) weapon specialization improved combat expertise endurance toughness 32 point buy str 16 +6 enhancment bonus = 22 dex 12 + 2 level = 14 con 20 +3 level + 5 inherent =28 int 8 + 5 inhernet = 13 wis 8 chr 6 hit points: 10d10 (fighter) + 10d12 (dwarven defender) + 3 (toughness) + 180 (con) = 205-403 hit points + 40 hit points when in defensive stance armor class: 10 +1 dex + 13 armor +9 shield + 5 dodge (4 if they are not your dodge target) up to +10 for combat expert + 5 for amulet of natural armor + 5 ring of protection = 47-58 + 4 for dodge in defensive stance up to a 62 initiative: +8 Fort: +5 (fighter) +7 (dwarven defender) +4 (paladin) + 9 (con) +5 (cloak) = 30 Will: +2 (fighter) +7 (dwarven defender) +1 (paladin) +5 (cloak) -1 (wis) = 14 Reflex: +2 (fighter) + 3 (dwarven Defender) + 2 (dex) + 1 (paladin) + 5 (cloak) = 13 Immune to crit hits and sneak attacks (armor) Damage Reduction: 9/- 6(dwarven defender) 3 (armor) skill ranks (does not include modifiers or what and when you use your tome to raise you int) Intimidate 23 languages: common, dwarf magic items manual of bodily health 137,000 Manual of Intelligence +5: 137,000 gp long sword holy avenger: 60,000 ring of freedom of movement 40,000 ring of protection +5 50,000 gauntlets of STR +6 36,000gp Full plate +5, heavy forification made of admantine 100,000gp Tower shield +5 of reflection 126,000gp Amulet of natural armor +5 50,000gp claok of resistance +5 25,000 boots of speed 12,000 Okay, went a few levels of paladin because the CR 20 creatures love to give you diseases and fear effects, plus you can use the holy avenger, which is stil good at lower level. Modify the stats to your liking to make use of the CHR based saving bonus if you wish. Even at a 6 DR he is fairly strong since his AC can get as high as 63 when hasted, making the Tarrasque miss 50% of the time, pretty good since you will bemune to any crits. At that score, all of the demons, devils and dragons, including the CR 20's will miss completly, unless they use the natural 20 rule. The ring of freedom of movement prohibits the Tarrasque from swollowing you since he has to grapple to do it and the cloak of resistance helps out on saves big time. Only really weak in the energy department now since I switched the shield. If the AC is still to low for your guy, call upon your 20th level mage companion to enchant a other item, an item with a bonus not intended for use in an item, such as a pair of boots of infernal quickness +5 profane bonus to AC, as per page 285 DMG. If your DM is insane, or not thinking clearly, you could squeeze anther 20 points to AC through luck, sacred, profane and insight bonuses. Finally, there of course are other things you could do to this character to make it better, like add henchmen, make a speacial mount, go a completly different way with items or feats, but it is time for bed. See ya.:D [/QUOTE]
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