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<blockquote data-quote="Bacon Bits" data-source="post: 7562589" data-attributes="member: 6777737">I'm guessing that comes from the DDB data, but I think that's a suspicious interpretation. First, AFAIK, the data is on characters without feats, not campaigns without feats. Feat power level is pretty significantly weighted towards martial classes, so even in campaigns where feats are legal you'll often see characters that select no feats. I've seen comparatively few spellcasters that take feats of any kind, with Resilience (Constitution) being the only common exception, but even that isn't until high level.Second, it's important to remember that overwhelming majority of active characters in DDB, nearly 90%, are below level 11, with 62% at levels 1-4.&nbsp; While, yes, characters do get two ASIs below level 10, many players will select &quot;+2 to prime attribute&quot; before anything else to get that 18 or 20. In other words, in many games players will not select a feat before level 8 or level 12 naturally.&nbsp; I'd also point out that Variant Human is the second most popular subrace (nearly tied with regular human) and that subrace is only available when you're playing with feats.I'm not saying you're wrong (and I agree the math is just fine). I'm just saying that a lot of the available data is skewed.&nbsp; It's not necessarily a choice and might be a consequence of feats only being appealing in the late game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bacon Bits, post: 7562589, member: 6777737"] I'm guessing that comes from the DDB data, but I think that's a suspicious interpretation. First, AFAIK, the data is on [I]characters[/I] without feats, not [I]campaigns[/I] without feats. Feat power level is pretty significantly weighted towards martial classes, so even in campaigns where feats are legal you'll often see characters that select no feats. I've seen comparatively few spellcasters that take feats of any kind, with Resilience (Constitution) being the only common exception, but even that isn't until high level. Second, it's important to remember that overwhelming majority of active characters in DDB, nearly 90%, are below level 11, with 62% at levels 1-4. While, yes, characters do get two ASIs below level 10, many players will select "+2 to prime attribute" before anything else to get that 18 or 20. In other words, in many games players will not select a feat before level 8 or level 12 [I]naturally[/I]. I'd also point out that Variant Human is the second most popular subrace (nearly tied with regular human) and that subrace is only available when you're playing with feats. I'm not saying you're wrong (and I agree the math is just fine). I'm just saying that a lot of the available data is skewed. It's not necessarily a choice and might be a consequence of feats only being appealing in the late game. [/QUOTE]

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