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<blockquote data-quote="Kupursk" data-source="post: 7563036" data-attributes="member: 6986037">That's a tricky one. In 2e Half-Orcs appear in the Book of Humanoids, and they do gain +1 to Str. But their racial maximum is listed as 18 and not 19.Now comes the tricky part...Standard AD&amp;D rules state that you have to meet the racial minimum/maximum before the racial bonus. So an elf can roll a 18 and raise his dex to 19 with the bonus because the listed maximum of 18 is before said bonus.However, the Book of Humanoids seems to approach that rule in the opposite way, giving racial maximums and minimums for after the bonuses and penalties are applied. The text isn't very clear but it leads one to think so, and also races in that book are listed with their maximums already going past 18, which would be impossible to get on the dice alone before the adjustment. So this book seems to present these maximums differently.With that in mind, supposedly the Half-Orc does get a +1 to Str but that can't get him past 18.His Con though (which is also increased by +1) is clearly listed as having a 19 as the maximum racial.Baldur's Gate 2 however does allow you to reach 19, but BG takes quite a few liberties with the rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kupursk, post: 7563036, member: 6986037"] That's a tricky one. In 2e Half-Orcs appear in the Book of Humanoids, and they do gain +1 to Str. But their racial maximum is listed as 18 and not 19. Now comes the tricky part... Standard AD&D rules state that you have to meet the racial minimum/maximum [I]before [/I]the racial bonus. So an elf can roll a 18 and raise his dex to 19 with the bonus because the listed maximum of 18 is [I]before [/I]said bonus. However, the Book of Humanoids seems to approach that rule in the opposite way, giving racial maximums and minimums for [I]after [/I]the bonuses and penalties are applied. The text isn't very clear but it leads one to think so, and also races in that book are listed with their maximums already going past 18, which would be impossible to get on the dice alone before the adjustment. So this book seems to present these maximums differently. With that in mind, supposedly the Half-Orc does get a +1 to Str but that can't get him past 18. His Con though (which is also increased by +1) is clearly listed as having a 19 as the maximum racial. Baldur's Gate 2 however does allow you to reach 19, but BG takes quite a few liberties with the rules. [/QUOTE]

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