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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shayuri" data-source="post: 463536" data-attributes="member: 4936">::Shayuri is their any FAQ or Errata on this ? -- Not that I'm aware of, though the spell description is fairly clear, I think.::The wording is pretty dubious on this "corporeal" origin ... I agree with you, stil have my doubts, but my DM and other players dont. Still why mention the force effects so specifically ?-- Because that's how it works. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Force effects can target incorporeal beings normally. Magic missiles will hurt 'em, with no miss chance. Mage armor and Shield apply full AC bonuses against their touch attacks. A Wall of Force in a globe configuration will trap a ghost (or any other incorporeal being). Force effects extend into the Ethereal plane. This is all explained in the spell description too, by the way. I'm not sure what you mean about the wording being dubious.::As for threats from Ethereal.... Cha bonus to deflection !! Being a sorceror with pumped up Charisma those shadows will have a hard time hitting me.-- Possibly. I'll be honest, I'm not sure the deflection bonus applies to ethereal combat. The line that states, "Against foes in the Ethereal plane all attacks and defenses are normal," makes me wonder if that particular bonus only applies to foes against which you are not solid...ie - foes on the Material Plane.On the other hand, "naturally" incorporeal beings retain their deflection bonus, so I guess there's no reason a Ghostformed caster wouldn't. Though I will say that Shadows aren't technically Ethereal menaces. They're constantly incorporeal, unlike ghosts which are usually Ethereal only (unless manifested). And there are worse things than those lurking in the dread deeps of the Ethereal... Muahahaha...As an aside, I kinda agree with gfunk...Ghostform is a bit overpowered for a 5th level spell. Note that I disagree with the assertion that a spell is automatically silenced though. Casting a spell with a verbal component, IMO, is tantamount to "choosing" to make noise (in order to cast a spell). No one's forcing the caster to cast that spell. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Moreover, I'm not positive that Nondetection blocks See Invisible and True Sight. Honestly, I'm not sure if ANYTHING does. Most of the anti-divination spells are aimed at scrying and detection spells in particular. See Invis and True Sight aren't technically in either category.Still, I do agree. I'd tend to put it at 7th or 8th level, myself.I'd probably also allow a Dispel Magic to have a chance to blow away the Ghostform of a caster within a solid object. After all, Abjuration effects extend into the Ethereal, and that solid object isn't IN the Ethereal (which is why the incorporeal can move through them). Thus, in the Ethereal, the line of effect isn't blocked. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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