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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 4911858" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yeah, you can use the Urgrosh as a spear. It is open to debate whether or not you can use the d12 and benefit from things that call for a spear at the same time (but it certainly is quite solidly arguable you can, just make sure your DM agrees). It is true, Tempest in and of itself doesn't require any particular CON, but it does naturally tend to favor the use of axes or double weapons. The advantage to going TWF is of course nice if you plan to use polarms like glaive or greatspear. In any case there are definitely at least a couple choices of builds. Another option is spear and shield and use the Spear and Shield Style feat. It won't let you get into the HBO/polearm sequence, but you can then benefit from the various eladrin racial feats, which is nice.Not having put together all of these various builds I'm not sure which one is overall mechanically superior. It depends to a certain extent on what levels your likely to play at. I think one of the advantages of the tempest/urgrosh route is that it is pretty front loaded since you get all the tempest goodness right off the bat, dual strike is available right away, and you can pick up RoB early on. Even the slightly nerfed RoB is still pretty nasty with that build.</blockquote>