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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LordBOB" data-source="post: 2580173" data-attributes="member: 33140">i know exactly how it feels........my DM messed up BAD!!!!  the ranger/sorceror of the group went from character lv.13 to character lv.20!!!!!!!  Our DM put us up against a CR 24!!!!  He missread the CR and didnt know wht he had done untill it was to late.  We had to fight an ANCIENT GREEN DRAGON  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />   as the paladin of the group i was the only one able to do something b/c i had airwalk (i think) casted on me so i was able to go to the dragon and fight him while no one else was able to do much.  The ranger had a sword that casted lightning and he was just about the only one to do anything.  We werent able to kill the dragon so the DM was nice enough to make the dragon fly away.  If we had killed the dragon im sure it would of been AWEFUL for our DM.  See we have this player who "invented" some things and sold them to the Babalian Gov't (SP?)  so he ws rewarded with ALOT of money.  He basically pumped himself up early in the game and it made the DM have a hard time figuring out what to throw at us. He tries to throw 1 or 2 strong opponents at us but he hasnt learned yet that he needs to try and out number us.So i guess to make your campaign tougher you could swarm your PC's with alot of weaker  opponents.  OR my favorite................... trap them in a room or something to where they CANT escape.  Take whoever you think has the item you dont want and put them into a situation to where they have to give the item up.  Or when you trap them the BBEG/nemisis/etc...  could demand something from the players in order to live.  Let the PC's fight among each other to see who finally looses something.  IF your party is only lv.9 , i dont think they have access to teleports or stuff like them.  Trap them behind a wall of force that is SLOWLY moving toward them and will crush someone if they dont offer an item up.  they either part with an item or DIE!!!! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> *is mad at my current DM for putting us in that situation* <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /></blockquote>

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