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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4717536" data-attributes="member: 71571">You're really asking about two seperate things here.  One is about ongoing damage, and the other is about durations of similiar effects.So, first, ongoing damage of the same type (including untyped, regardless of source) does not stack.  Ongoing damage of two different types do stack.Secondly, if the same effect or condition applies, only the one with the longest duration applies. So:Assuming that both are ongoing 5 fire damage (the damage type is -critical- when dealing with ongoing damage), then you do not stack them.  Then you have the same effect, so only one applies, and thusly the other is ignored.So, you end up with ongoing 5 fire damage (save ends) and you take no damage after you save once.Assuming the bleeding attack is ongoing 5 [untyped] damage, you have in this instance:ongoing 5 fire damage (save ends)ongoing 5 damage (save ends).Both are different types, and are different effects and are thusly -both- applied.  The beginning of your next turn, you'll take 10 damage, 5 of which is fire.  Then, if you only saved against one, you'd have 5 more damage your next turn.Keep track of the damage types tho, a tiefling, for example, might take no fire damage at all from resistance.You have two effects, both of which are immobilized, with duration (save ends).  This means that you only apply one of them.  The other is forgotten.  This means you have:immobilized (save ends), and when you save against that you are no longer immobilized.One save.  (save ends both) means that one save ends both effects.Also, a 5th case.  If you were dazed (save ends) and then you got dazed and 5 ongoing damage (save ends both) then the dazed (save ends) is folded into the new dazed+5 ongoing damage.  They are considered two seperate effects with a common condition for ending.</blockquote>

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