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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AngryPurpleCyclops" data-source="post: 4717637" data-attributes="member: 82732">Interesting thread, and lots of great input.1) Like obryn, my group plays both conditions exist(i.e. you have to save twice) but you only take damage once at most per round.  This seems to be incorrect based upon page 278.  Like keterys said expect a lot of table variation here.2) My group plays this as 10/5 which is pretty much the uniform answer on this thread but mine and most of the answers on this thread seem to be wrong (or at least possibly wrong depending on interpretation) with regard to this one.  According to the last bullet on the left on page 278 since bleeding has no type it should be rolled into one.  You could read this differently and say that their implying "no type" is a type.  The last sentence basically implies that if you take ongoing 10 (of any type because they don't specifically say of no type like they did for the 5) it supersedes the ongoing 5 of no type.3)  We play this as two saves also but it appears that one might be the correct answer.  Keterys point about two different types of attack both causing immobilize brings up another situation.  Is this still one save if you play the one save method?4) clearly 1 save.  One more question that popped in my head.  If you're slowed by a sleep spell, when you fail the save and become unconscious vs sleep are you still suffering from slow as well?  We play no, but why not?  Along those same lines, if you're immobilized by a ghoul and then hit for a stun are you still immobilized as well?</blockquote>

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