Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Help me beat my DM :)
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 539273" data-attributes="member: 224"><p><strong>The Dragon is _disposable_!</strong></p><p></p><p>I've done something similar to this, but with a 20th level character vs. a dragon. Color turned out to be black, of all things. And no, the DM didn't layer templates on top of that. If he had, I probably would have called foul, and we would've done a "do over".</p><p></p><p>BTW, Templates rock. Pray there are no templates.</p><p></p><p>I did the deed with a Sor 19/ Pal 1 with a cohort and the associated followers. The cohort was a cleric archer, of course! (Best damage dealer in the core rules.) The followers were <em>not</em> just useless bagage. They were <strong>great</strong> fodder, and those that could did the "aid another" action, ala PirateCat's Story hour. GWM their arrows, too.</p><p></p><p><em>Gate</em> was a key spell (Solars rock), but don't forget the other, crucial one. It's been mentioned here often, just not as something for the player: <em>Mord's Disjunction</em>. You want that cast on the dragon ASAP. Use scrolls.</p><p></p><p>Since my sorcerer had better things to do, I had the cleric cohort take the <em>trickery</em> domain and have his own <em>Time Stop</em>. And of course I didn't miss the other obvious trick: My cohort had a cohort of his own. (Duh!) Can you guess the class? Paladin/Ranger, of course, with dragon as the favored enemy! And yes, the Paladin had a cohort too....although they turned out to be no better than the other canon fodder.</p><p></p><p>Finally, remember that a cleric can cast miracle, or a wizard can cast wish. These spells can save your bacon if that SR gets annoying. Phrase your wish/miracle something like: "I wish that my Spell penetration roll is a 20." Don't make it affect the dragon, otherwise his SR will apply to your wish.</p><p></p><p>My vote: The dragon is toast, even with an 18th level PC.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nail, post: 539273, member: 224"] [b]The Dragon is _disposable_![/b] I've done something similar to this, but with a 20th level character vs. a dragon. Color turned out to be black, of all things. And no, the DM didn't layer templates on top of that. If he had, I probably would have called foul, and we would've done a "do over". BTW, Templates rock. Pray there are no templates. I did the deed with a Sor 19/ Pal 1 with a cohort and the associated followers. The cohort was a cleric archer, of course! (Best damage dealer in the core rules.) The followers were [i]not[/i] just useless bagage. They were [b]great[/b] fodder, and those that could did the "aid another" action, ala PirateCat's Story hour. GWM their arrows, too. [i]Gate[/i] was a key spell (Solars rock), but don't forget the other, crucial one. It's been mentioned here often, just not as something for the player: [i]Mord's Disjunction[/i]. You want that cast on the dragon ASAP. Use scrolls. Since my sorcerer had better things to do, I had the cleric cohort take the [i]trickery[/i] domain and have his own [i]Time Stop[/i]. And of course I didn't miss the other obvious trick: My cohort had a cohort of his own. (Duh!) Can you guess the class? Paladin/Ranger, of course, with dragon as the favored enemy! And yes, the Paladin had a cohort too....although they turned out to be no better than the other canon fodder. Finally, remember that a cleric can cast miracle, or a wizard can cast wish. These spells can save your bacon if that SR gets annoying. Phrase your wish/miracle something like: "I wish that my Spell penetration roll is a 20." Don't make it affect the dragon, otherwise his SR will apply to your wish. My vote: The dragon is toast, even with an 18th level PC. :p [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Help me beat my DM :)
Top
