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<blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 1514249" data-attributes="member: 6875">Um.&nbsp; Greater Shadow Evocation can be used to bring about any Sor/Wiz Evocation spell of 7th level or less.&nbsp; That is a LOT of versatility, right there.&nbsp; And a Greater Shadow Evocation: Fieball is still a 8th level spell, with 8th level saves, regardless of what spell level is being mimicked.&nbsp; I suppose it also depends on wether or not the GM lets you miick metamagicked spells (i.e., a MAximised Fireball, which is normally a 6th level spell).&nbsp; IMC, I'd allow it, but you have to PERSONALLY KNOW the metamagic yourself in order to do so.&nbsp; So, you could GSE a Maximised Fireball only if you had actually taken the Maximise feat.&nbsp; Just from the PHB, that includes: Forcecage (without the 1500gp component!), Contingency, Wall of Force, Fire Shield, Daylight, Continual Flame, and Tenser's Floating Disc - as well as the inevitable slew of attack spells the Evocation school contains.&nbsp; And Greater Shadow Conjuration, at 7th level, can similarly be ANY Sor/Wiz conjuration of 6th or lower level.&nbsp; Any summon monster up to SM6, Planar binding, wall of iron, Acid Fog, Teleport, Wall of Stone, Dimension Door, Solid Fog, Leomund's Secure Shelter, Phantom Steed, Sleet Storm, Glitterdust, Acid Arrow, Web, Obscuring Mist, etc, etc.&nbsp; THAT level of versatility should be enough to give any sorceror with half a brain wet dreams.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pax, post: 1514249, member: 6875"] Um. Greater Shadow Evocation can be used to bring about [b]any[/b] Sor/Wiz Evocation spell of 7th level or less. That is a LOT of versatility, right there. And a Greater Shadow Evocation: [i]Fieball[/i] is [b]still[/b] a 8th level spell, with 8th level saves, regardless of what spell level is being mimicked. I suppose it also depends on wether or not the GM lets you miick [i]metamagicked[/i] spells (i.e., a MAximised Fireball, which is normally a 6th level spell). IMC, I'd allow it, but you have to PERSONALLY KNOW the metamagic yourself in order to do so. So, you could GSE a Maximised Fireball [b]only[/b] if you had actually taken the Maximise feat. Just from the PHB, that includes: Forcecage ([b]without[/b] the 1500gp component!), Contingency, Wall of Force, Fire Shield, Daylight, Continual Flame, and Tenser's Floating Disc - as well as the inevitable slew of attack spells the Evocation school contains. And Greater Shadow Conjuration, at 7th level, can similarly be ANY Sor/Wiz conjuration of 6th or lower level. Any summon monster up to SM6, Planar binding, wall of iron, Acid Fog, Teleport, Wall of Stone, Dimension Door, Solid Fog, Leomund's Secure Shelter, Phantom Steed, Sleet Storm, Glitterdust, Acid Arrow, Web, Obscuring Mist, etc, etc. [b]THAT[/b] level of versatility should be enough to give any sorceror with half a brain [b]wet dreams[/b]. :D [/QUOTE]

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