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<blockquote data-quote="Orius" data-source="post: 6190843" data-attributes="member: 8863"><p>Well, you could go back to some of the suff Gary yoinked from mythology and the like to use for the planes. That stuff is pretty much public domain. This is particularly true when you look at the orignal names of the planes rather than the later (more easily copyrighted!) names introduced in Planescape. Since you're drawing from Zoroastrian and Abrahamic cosmology, you can probably find more ideas from dipping into that well.</p><p></p><p>The Nine Hells, as stated, is a rip off-of Dante's Inferno, so you can use that. Similarly, Celestia is based partly on Purgatory, so that's also useable, perhaps place Purgatory at N(LG) and Paradise at LG especially when accounting for the Divine Comedy and the underlying Christian theology. </p><p></p><p>Hades/The Gray Waste can be represented by something like the Greek Underworld though it might be better placed in the N(E) slot, with Tartarus at NE. Yes, Tartarus is normally between Hades and The Abyss, but the Greek Underworld wasn't particularly a place of <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EverybodyHatesHades" target="_blank">punishment for the wicked</a>. I believe the evil associations come from Greek translations of the Bible translating <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol" target="_blank">Sheol</a> as Hades and then later Christians associating the concept with Hell. You could also put in the Elysian Fields and the Isles of the Blessed if you want more from Greek mythology, bump the Elysian Fields down to N(G) and put the Isles at NG, or just mix them and keep Elysium where it is. </p><p></p><p>Gladshiem/Ysgard you can replace with Asgard. It was orignally valkyries and Norse warriors battling all day and drinking all night in preparation for Ragnarok anyway, so just go back to the source. Niflheim was originally conflated with Hades/The Gray Waste, but that could maybe go somewhere around N(CE) or replace Pandemonium.</p><p></p><p>The Happy Hunting Grounds/Beastlands could remain a place for animal spirits, but I'd bump it down to a neutral spot. The Happy Hunting Grounds is a really bad name for the plane as described in Planescape (no one hunting there is going to be happy!), but the Beastlands of course is IP. Or you could just incorporate it into a Spirit World (see below), since animals are neutral.</p><p></p><p>Stuff Gary didn't use but would work pretty good with the setup:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annwn" target="_blank">Annwn</a> would fit well in an unused spot on the Upper Planes. You could maybe mix in some elements of Avalon, Tir na Nog (removing it from its shoehorned spot in the Outlands), and other Celtic ideas as well.</p><p></p><p>A generic Spirit World could make a good fill-in for The Outlands.</p><p></p><p>The Mayan <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xibalba" target="_blank">Xibalba</a> would make a great Lower Plane, I'd place it where Tartarus/Carceri or Pandemonium is.</p><p></p><p>I'd also recommend <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyu" target="_blank">Diyu</a> as well, but given your writeup on the Mazoku, it looks like you're already using some of those ideas. If they're the "least evil" of the devil races, perhaps their realm could replace Acheron?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Orius, post: 6190843, member: 8863"] Well, you could go back to some of the suff Gary yoinked from mythology and the like to use for the planes. That stuff is pretty much public domain. This is particularly true when you look at the orignal names of the planes rather than the later (more easily copyrighted!) names introduced in Planescape. Since you're drawing from Zoroastrian and Abrahamic cosmology, you can probably find more ideas from dipping into that well. The Nine Hells, as stated, is a rip off-of Dante's Inferno, so you can use that. Similarly, Celestia is based partly on Purgatory, so that's also useable, perhaps place Purgatory at N(LG) and Paradise at LG especially when accounting for the Divine Comedy and the underlying Christian theology. Hades/The Gray Waste can be represented by something like the Greek Underworld though it might be better placed in the N(E) slot, with Tartarus at NE. Yes, Tartarus is normally between Hades and The Abyss, but the Greek Underworld wasn't particularly a place of [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EverybodyHatesHades]punishment for the wicked[/url]. I believe the evil associations come from Greek translations of the Bible translating [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol]Sheol[/url] as Hades and then later Christians associating the concept with Hell. You could also put in the Elysian Fields and the Isles of the Blessed if you want more from Greek mythology, bump the Elysian Fields down to N(G) and put the Isles at NG, or just mix them and keep Elysium where it is. Gladshiem/Ysgard you can replace with Asgard. It was orignally valkyries and Norse warriors battling all day and drinking all night in preparation for Ragnarok anyway, so just go back to the source. Niflheim was originally conflated with Hades/The Gray Waste, but that could maybe go somewhere around N(CE) or replace Pandemonium. The Happy Hunting Grounds/Beastlands could remain a place for animal spirits, but I'd bump it down to a neutral spot. The Happy Hunting Grounds is a really bad name for the plane as described in Planescape (no one hunting there is going to be happy!), but the Beastlands of course is IP. Or you could just incorporate it into a Spirit World (see below), since animals are neutral. Stuff Gary didn't use but would work pretty good with the setup: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annwn]Annwn[/url] would fit well in an unused spot on the Upper Planes. You could maybe mix in some elements of Avalon, Tir na Nog (removing it from its shoehorned spot in the Outlands), and other Celtic ideas as well. A generic Spirit World could make a good fill-in for The Outlands. The Mayan [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xibalba]Xibalba[/url] would make a great Lower Plane, I'd place it where Tartarus/Carceri or Pandemonium is. I'd also recommend [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyu]Diyu[/url] as well, but given your writeup on the Mazoku, it looks like you're already using some of those ideas. If they're the "least evil" of the devil races, perhaps their realm could replace Acheron? [/QUOTE]
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