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<blockquote data-quote="Mepher" data-source="post: 7957392" data-attributes="member: 61277">They aren't a good example of combat, it was more the tone of the scene.&nbsp; The 81 version reminds me of what D&amp;D was growing up.&nbsp; My AD&amp;D games were about you starting out as the farmer kid who, with his friends kills the kobolds in the abandoned mine and saved the local girl.&nbsp; Later the are the same group that killed the ogres blocking the pass.&nbsp; Eventually the kill the dragon that has been plaguing the region.&nbsp; By now they are widely known as the heroes and with their small cache of magic are ready to take on that lich occupying the castle and on up to the demon that the foolish wizard unleashed on the kingdom.&nbsp; They became the heroes but they worked for it.Sure you can do all of that in 5E but it &quot;feels&quot; like it comes much quicker because you have such big abilites.&nbsp; You head in to kill Medusa.&nbsp; She knows you are there and you know she is stalking you.&nbsp; The tension is there because you know you can very easily die.&nbsp; You can't stand toe to toe because you will lose so you need to find a way to overcome.The 5E version is like you say. Fighters are toe to toe just hacking away (while looking away) as the cleric is throwing his guided bolts, the paladin is smiting, the wizard blowing it up, and it's that 2-3 rounds at most of explosions until Medusa is a charred mess.I know which version sounds better to me.&nbsp; See here is the rub though....there is a lot to like with 5E so again I would love to find some ways to maybe tone down the combat a notch or two and change the pace of the game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mepher, post: 7957392, member: 61277"] They aren't a good example of combat, it was more the tone of the scene. The 81 version reminds me of what D&D was growing up. My AD&D games were about you starting out as the farmer kid who, with his friends kills the kobolds in the abandoned mine and saved the local girl. Later the are the same group that killed the ogres blocking the pass. Eventually the kill the dragon that has been plaguing the region. By now they are widely known as the heroes and with their small cache of magic are ready to take on that lich occupying the castle and on up to the demon that the foolish wizard unleashed on the kingdom. They became the heroes but they worked for it. Sure you can do all of that in 5E but it "feels" like it comes much quicker because you have such big abilites. You head in to kill Medusa. She knows you are there and you know she is stalking you. The tension is there because you know you can very easily die. You can't stand toe to toe because you will lose so you need to find a way to overcome. The 5E version is like you say. Fighters are toe to toe just hacking away (while looking away) as the cleric is throwing his guided bolts, the paladin is smiting, the wizard blowing it up, and it's that 2-3 rounds at most of explosions until Medusa is a charred mess. I know which version sounds better to me. See here is the rub though....there is a lot to like with 5E so again I would love to find some ways to maybe tone down the combat a notch or two and change the pace of the game. [/QUOTE]

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