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<blockquote data-quote="Borthos" data-source="post: 5648012" data-attributes="member: 93344">Did I say level 8?&nbsp; oh well.&nbsp; His plan is monk 2/cleric X/Sacred Fist 10/Cleric X, if the dm lets him take the sacred fist.&nbsp; Otherwise, straight cleric.&nbsp; He's only going monk because he likes the image of an unarmed cleric and he's the 5th wheel in the party, so he can do what he wants with the character.&nbsp; We're level 1 right now, so the dc for his SF is 15 because of a crazy pt buy we got.Thank you guys for all the examples though, I'll use them in trying to convince him.&nbsp; He is an experienced DM but he's a very house rules heavy DM, and he doesn't see that his house rules destroy the game balance in all forms.&nbsp; So this game we're sticking to RAW as close as possible, and he's still stuck on the &quot;monks are broken&quot; line.EDIT: worst part is, DM doesn't see the druid as broken, even though in the past the player has come up with the most op combinations because of his stupid house rules.&nbsp; Yet he warned the monk guy (new guy) that he better not break the game.&nbsp; When was the last time Sacred Fist broke your game?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Borthos, post: 5648012, member: 93344"] Did I say level 8? oh well. His plan is monk 2/cleric X/Sacred Fist 10/Cleric X, if the dm lets him take the sacred fist. Otherwise, straight cleric. He's only going monk because he likes the image of an unarmed cleric and he's the 5th wheel in the party, so he can do what he wants with the character. We're level 1 right now, so the dc for his SF is 15 because of a crazy pt buy we got. Thank you guys for all the examples though, I'll use them in trying to convince him. He is an experienced DM but he's a very house rules heavy DM, and he doesn't see that his house rules destroy the game balance in all forms. So this game we're sticking to RAW as close as possible, and he's still stuck on the "monks are broken" line. EDIT: worst part is, DM doesn't see the druid as broken, even though in the past the player has come up with the most op combinations because of his stupid house rules. Yet he warned the monk guy (new guy) that he better not break the game. When was the last time Sacred Fist broke your game? [/QUOTE]

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