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<blockquote data-quote="Arrowhawk" data-source="post: 5652096" data-attributes="member: 6679551">When talking about weapons...they only have one metric...destruction.&nbsp; How they deliver that destruction is irrelevant to ranking weapons on destructive power.&nbsp; But you're missing the point. The fact that a semi could do more destruction than an assault rifle would lead one to the conclusion that semi's are the most dangerous thing in the hands of unhappy Americans when comparing weapons.&nbsp; This is an intended to illustrate the fallacy of ranking things on potential when that potential is entirely controllable by the DM i.e. availabilty of nuclear weapons.&nbsp;I completely understand the Tier system.&nbsp; What I'm trying to point out to you is that it's based on assumptions. It absolutely requires that spell casters have access to everything.&nbsp; Sorcs are Tier 2 because they could just possibly make their loadout to do some specific thing that took a campaign off the tracks.&nbsp; Never mind that such a loadout would then be incapable of doing tons of other things or that the DM could easily find things that the Sorc was incapable of dealing with.&nbsp;But if the Sorc never got access to those game altering spells, then guess what?&nbsp; The problem is not the classes, the problem is whether the DM is obliged to just handout Contant Other Plane whenever the Sorc is high enough to cast it.&nbsp; I say the DM is not.&nbsp; Whether it's a house rule thing or allowed by RAW, the DM is in total controll of what spells and what magic items the party has access to.&nbsp; Ergo there is no balance issue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Arrowhawk, post: 5652096, member: 6679551"] When talking about weapons...they only have one metric...destruction. How they deliver that destruction is irrelevant to ranking weapons on destructive power. But you're missing the point. The fact that a semi [I]could [/I]do more destruction than an assault rifle would lead one to the conclusion that semi's are the most dangerous thing in the hands of unhappy Americans when comparing [I]weapons. [/I]This is an intended to illustrate the fallacy of ranking things on [I]potential [/I]when that potential is entirely controllable by the DM i.e. availabilty of nuclear weapons. I completely understand the Tier system. What I'm trying to point out to you is that it's based on [I]assumptions[/I]. It absolutely requires that spell casters have access to everything. Sorcs are Tier 2 because they could just [I]possibly[/I] make their loadout to do some specific thing that took a campaign off the tracks. Never mind that such a loadout would then be incapable of doing tons of other things or that the DM could easily find things that the Sorc was incapable of dealing with. But if the Sorc never got access to those game altering spells, then guess what? The problem is not the classes, the problem is whether the DM is obliged to just handout Contant Other Plane whenever the Sorc is high enough to cast it. I say the DM is not. Whether it's a house rule thing or allowed by RAW, the DM is in total controll of what spells and what magic items the party has access to. Ergo there is no balance issue. [/QUOTE]

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