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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5652214" data-attributes="member: 35909">I hate JaronK's tier list because it:1) Bases its rankings on the most game breaking things possible.&nbsp; The more ways you have at your disposal to completely ruin a game (why does having more than 1 put you a whole tier higher, isn't one way enough?), the higher your tier.&nbsp; It isn't based on builds that would actually be used in a game.&nbsp; I don't need a TO tier list.2) It considers a class's dip-ability (how much you can gain from dipping in it) as a serious factor in THAT class's power ranking!&nbsp; A fighter giving one or two bonus feats to much better classes does not make the fighter a better class.3) Assumes a 15 min. adventuring day to a way too high degree.&nbsp; Factotums are ranked where they are in part because they can theoretically nova their entire (piddly) stack of spells for the day in a single turn if they want.&nbsp; As if any DM would a) allow that or b) let him just go take a nap afterwards to rinse and repeat.&nbsp; Of course, &quot;that wouldn't be allowed&quot; style voices of sanity are shunned and mocked in those tier threads anyway, so that's not much of a concern.So yeah, the tier list is roughly accurate in a very general sense (spellcasters at one end, CW Samurai at the other), but still deeply flawed.&nbsp; And it annoys the crap out of me when people treat it like gospel.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5652214, member: 35909"] I hate JaronK's tier list because it: 1) Bases its rankings on the most game breaking things possible. The more ways you have at your disposal to completely ruin a game (why does having more than 1 put you a whole tier higher, isn't one way enough?), the higher your tier. It isn't based on builds that would actually be used in a game. I don't need a TO tier list. 2) It considers a class's dip-ability (how much you can gain from dipping in it) as a serious factor in THAT class's power ranking! A fighter giving one or two bonus feats to much better classes does not make the fighter a better class. 3) Assumes a 15 min. adventuring day to a way too high degree. Factotums are ranked where they are in part because they can theoretically nova their entire (piddly) stack of spells for the day in a single turn if they want. As if any DM would a) allow that or b) let him just go take a nap afterwards to rinse and repeat. Of course, "that wouldn't be allowed" style voices of sanity are shunned and mocked in those tier threads anyway, so that's not much of a concern. So yeah, the tier list is roughly accurate in a very general sense (spellcasters at one end, CW Samurai at the other), but still deeply flawed. And it annoys the crap out of me when people treat it like gospel. [/QUOTE]

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