Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Help me convince my DM that monks aren't broken
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Empirate" data-source="post: 5654565" data-attributes="member: 78958"><p>OP, as much as I sympathize with your problem (retarded DMs are retarded), this is not a mechanics-related issue. It's a people-related issue. Your DM is being a douche about something, and is adamant in staying douchy where this something is concerned. People do that all the time, and the only thing you can really do about it is live with it.</p><p></p><p>Your boss keeps complaining about the number of hardcopy printouts you make, but conveniently neglects to see how many work-related xeroxes you pay out of your own purse. Your mom insists on spending more time with your baby kid than you can yourself, due to your workload. Your best friend talks smack about you behind your back "without meaning to", and keeps saying he's "sorry he got misunderstood". A poster at ENWorld persists in not understanding the mechanics of D&D, even though you told him a hundred times.</p><p></p><p>People are like that. That doesn't mean they're bad persons, of course. People can get on your nerves and still be your friends. If you still like them, like to hang with them, and like to play their game, you best adapt. You won't change their opinion - it's hard to change another person's view, and "evidence" collected on an internet forum won't do the trick most of the time.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So my advice to you is the following: go talk to him. Tell him how you don't see Monks as unbalanced. Tell him you'd like to play one, and how the game will not be as fun for you if you can't do that. Tell him how the game is supposed to be fun for everybody, and how the DM's job is to make that happen. Ask him to let you play a Monk and not saddle you with restrictions that would destroy <em>your </em>fun. If he replies that he doesn't want you to break the game, tell him it's not your intent at all, and that you believe you'll be able to play a Monk without breaking the game. Ask him to tell you whenever your Monk threatens his and everybody else's fun.</p><p></p><p>If he lets you play a Monk, play one. Demonstrate to everybody how Monks aren't as problematic as they think they are. If he doesn't let you play a Monk, play something else, but remind him from time to time that it was you who made a concession to keep the game going and fun. Expect respectful treatment, and a certain readiness to let you have fun, as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Empirate, post: 5654565, member: 78958"] OP, as much as I sympathize with your problem (retarded DMs are retarded), this is not a mechanics-related issue. It's a people-related issue. Your DM is being a douche about something, and is adamant in staying douchy where this something is concerned. People do that all the time, and the only thing you can really do about it is live with it. Your boss keeps complaining about the number of hardcopy printouts you make, but conveniently neglects to see how many work-related xeroxes you pay out of your own purse. Your mom insists on spending more time with your baby kid than you can yourself, due to your workload. Your best friend talks smack about you behind your back "without meaning to", and keeps saying he's "sorry he got misunderstood". A poster at ENWorld persists in not understanding the mechanics of D&D, even though you told him a hundred times. People are like that. That doesn't mean they're bad persons, of course. People can get on your nerves and still be your friends. If you still like them, like to hang with them, and like to play their game, you best adapt. You won't change their opinion - it's hard to change another person's view, and "evidence" collected on an internet forum won't do the trick most of the time. So my advice to you is the following: go talk to him. Tell him how you don't see Monks as unbalanced. Tell him you'd like to play one, and how the game will not be as fun for you if you can't do that. Tell him how the game is supposed to be fun for everybody, and how the DM's job is to make that happen. Ask him to let you play a Monk and not saddle you with restrictions that would destroy [I]your [/I]fun. If he replies that he doesn't want you to break the game, tell him it's not your intent at all, and that you believe you'll be able to play a Monk without breaking the game. Ask him to tell you whenever your Monk threatens his and everybody else's fun. If he lets you play a Monk, play one. Demonstrate to everybody how Monks aren't as problematic as they think they are. If he doesn't let you play a Monk, play something else, but remind him from time to time that it was you who made a concession to keep the game going and fun. Expect respectful treatment, and a certain readiness to let you have fun, as well. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Help me convince my DM that monks aren't broken
Top