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<blockquote data-quote="SteelDraco" data-source="post: 1738358" data-attributes="member: 359"><p>As written, I'd say 5. Pretty decent combatant (not a bad AC for that level, DR 5, and a nasty stat-damaging atack bulk the thing up quite a bit). It will win most grapple checks at that level, fairly easily. A 5th level fighter-type isn't often going to have a grapple roll above +10. Unfortunately, even when grappling and draining Con it could easily do more damage with its claws.</p><p></p><p>Of note, I think you've got a miscalculation somewhere in your figuring of the thing's grapple check. By my math, it should be +17 (+4 BAB, +4 Str, +4 size, +5 racial modifier).</p><p></p><p>Does the Steal Breath ability provoke AoOs from creatures around the grapple? If it's damaged, does that prevent the effect?</p><p></p><p>Having Pounce and Improved Grab as feats is somewhat unusual. Normally, critters with those have them as extraordinary racial abilities, rather than feats. If you want to beef the thing up a bit, you might consider adding those as part of the race, and giving it two additional feats. I'd consider Improved Natural Attack (claw) and.... the feat from Complete Warrior that gives a bonus to Grapple checks. I forget the name. If you do that, though, I'd drop the racial bonus to climb and grapple, and just give it a Climb speed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SteelDraco, post: 1738358, member: 359"] As written, I'd say 5. Pretty decent combatant (not a bad AC for that level, DR 5, and a nasty stat-damaging atack bulk the thing up quite a bit). It will win most grapple checks at that level, fairly easily. A 5th level fighter-type isn't often going to have a grapple roll above +10. Unfortunately, even when grappling and draining Con it could easily do more damage with its claws. Of note, I think you've got a miscalculation somewhere in your figuring of the thing's grapple check. By my math, it should be +17 (+4 BAB, +4 Str, +4 size, +5 racial modifier). Does the Steal Breath ability provoke AoOs from creatures around the grapple? If it's damaged, does that prevent the effect? Having Pounce and Improved Grab as feats is somewhat unusual. Normally, critters with those have them as extraordinary racial abilities, rather than feats. If you want to beef the thing up a bit, you might consider adding those as part of the race, and giving it two additional feats. I'd consider Improved Natural Attack (claw) and.... the feat from Complete Warrior that gives a bonus to Grapple checks. I forget the name. If you do that, though, I'd drop the racial bonus to climb and grapple, and just give it a Climb speed. [/QUOTE]
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