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<blockquote data-quote="Zaruthustran" data-source="post: 1219837" data-attributes="member: 1457"><p>If you're fighting other party members you know exactly what you'll be fighting. We need this information if we're to design a killer character for you.</p><p></p><p>Operating without this information, I suggest:</p><p></p><p>Rogue 10/Shadowdancer 1</p><p>Str 18, Dex 16, Con 18, Int 15, Wis 16, Cha 12</p><p></p><p>Hide in Plain Sight is effectively Invisibility at Will, and unless the people you're fighting have maxed out Spots they won't be able to see you. </p><p></p><p>If they can't see you they can't kill you.</p><p></p><p>If they can't see you they lose their Dex, which means you can sneak attack them.</p><p></p><p>If they can't see you they lose their Dex, which means you get a free sneak attack from Expert Tactician.</p><p></p><p>If they can't see you then you can take a break to heal yourself with potions or wands whenever you want, without provoking AoOs. If your opponents try the same thing they'll provoke an Attack of Opportunity from you, and that AoO will be a sneak attack.</p><p></p><p>Take your Rogue special ability as Crippling Strike. All these sneak attacks will also do 2 points of Str damage (each). Target spellcasters first (they can screw you with Faerie Fire or Glitterdust). Since spellcasters tend to have low Str you might be able to render them helpless with just one or two rounds of attacks (2 attacks from BAB, 1 from Haste, 1 from Expert Tactician = 8 Str damage). </p><p></p><p>Feats:</p><p>1. Dodge, Mobility</p><p>3. Combat Reflexes</p><p>6. Spring Attack</p><p>9. Expert Tactician</p><p></p><p>Use a longspear and spring attack at first, and hide as you spring in and as you move out (hide does not take an action; it's done during a move). They won't know where you are. If they come at you they'll provoke AoOs. Once the wizards are down you can risk a few full attacks on any opponents you can seperate from the pack. Remember that a fighter without a full attack is not very dangerous, but a fighter with a full attack is extremely dangerous. If one of your opponents uses a two-handed weapon be sure to hit him with your Crippling Strike--the Str damage will hurt him more than it will hurt a one-handed weapon user.</p><p></p><p>For magic items, get:</p><p>A Wounding longspear +1 (18,305)</p><p>Elven Cloak (2,500), +5 to Hide</p><p>Fortified Improved Shadow leather armor of Spell Resistance (13) +1 (31,160) +10 to Hide</p><p>Bead of Force (3,000) -- use this to remove the party fighter or anyone who has a chance at Spotting you.</p><p>1 potion of Haste (750)</p><p>1 potion of Displacement (750)</p><p>4 potions of Resist energy (1 each for fire, cold, lightning, sonic) 30 (potion) 4,400 gp </p><p>4 Potions (Bull's Strength, Bear Endurance, Cat's Grace, Owl's Wisdom) 1,200</p><p></p><p>That's 62,065. Spend the rest on healing items. </p><p></p><p>Also get armor spikes and spiked gauntlets, so you still threaten at 5' and can TWF if want to. </p><p></p><p></p><p>-z</p><p></p><p>....or you could be cheesy, make an racher, and buy a bow and a bunch of arrows of slaying (they're only 4,000 gp each).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zaruthustran, post: 1219837, member: 1457"] If you're fighting other party members you know exactly what you'll be fighting. We need this information if we're to design a killer character for you. Operating without this information, I suggest: Rogue 10/Shadowdancer 1 Str 18, Dex 16, Con 18, Int 15, Wis 16, Cha 12 Hide in Plain Sight is effectively Invisibility at Will, and unless the people you're fighting have maxed out Spots they won't be able to see you. If they can't see you they can't kill you. If they can't see you they lose their Dex, which means you can sneak attack them. If they can't see you they lose their Dex, which means you get a free sneak attack from Expert Tactician. If they can't see you then you can take a break to heal yourself with potions or wands whenever you want, without provoking AoOs. If your opponents try the same thing they'll provoke an Attack of Opportunity from you, and that AoO will be a sneak attack. Take your Rogue special ability as Crippling Strike. All these sneak attacks will also do 2 points of Str damage (each). Target spellcasters first (they can screw you with Faerie Fire or Glitterdust). Since spellcasters tend to have low Str you might be able to render them helpless with just one or two rounds of attacks (2 attacks from BAB, 1 from Haste, 1 from Expert Tactician = 8 Str damage). Feats: 1. Dodge, Mobility 3. Combat Reflexes 6. Spring Attack 9. Expert Tactician Use a longspear and spring attack at first, and hide as you spring in and as you move out (hide does not take an action; it's done during a move). They won't know where you are. If they come at you they'll provoke AoOs. Once the wizards are down you can risk a few full attacks on any opponents you can seperate from the pack. Remember that a fighter without a full attack is not very dangerous, but a fighter with a full attack is extremely dangerous. If one of your opponents uses a two-handed weapon be sure to hit him with your Crippling Strike--the Str damage will hurt him more than it will hurt a one-handed weapon user. For magic items, get: A Wounding longspear +1 (18,305) Elven Cloak (2,500), +5 to Hide Fortified Improved Shadow leather armor of Spell Resistance (13) +1 (31,160) +10 to Hide Bead of Force (3,000) -- use this to remove the party fighter or anyone who has a chance at Spotting you. 1 potion of Haste (750) 1 potion of Displacement (750) 4 potions of Resist energy (1 each for fire, cold, lightning, sonic) 30 (potion) 4,400 gp 4 Potions (Bull's Strength, Bear Endurance, Cat's Grace, Owl's Wisdom) 1,200 That's 62,065. Spend the rest on healing items. Also get armor spikes and spiked gauntlets, so you still threaten at 5' and can TWF if want to. -z ....or you could be cheesy, make an racher, and buy a bow and a bunch of arrows of slaying (they're only 4,000 gp each). [/QUOTE]
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