Help Me Define Heroism

Tequila Sunrise

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I’m trying to define three types of heroic game styles, but I’m having trouble coming up with fantasy examples for two of them.

Type I, or “Accidental Heroes”: This type of game shares important elements with fantasy stories such as the Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. The characters do not begin as heroes but as everyday people much like the hobbits and Harry. They might be sons of farmers or the daughters of witches, but they never expected to live exceptional lives--until fate intervenes and forces them to become heroes. After finding themselves in possession of a dangerous object, of valuable information or simply the target of evil forces, the characters must use what mundane skills they have in order to survive. In the process of surviving, building their skills and overcoming adversity, the characters become true heroes.

Type II, or “Professional Heroes“: This type of game shares important elements with fantasy stories such as X and X. The characters begin life as everyday mortals, though they are a cut above the rest. They are talented and often begin with some amount of readiness for the heroic life; they might be soldiers, mages, thieves or other professionals. They might not actively search adventure out, but they are not afraid to seize opportunities in order to advance their goals. In the process of gaining wealth, prestige and experience these characters prove themselves as heroes.

Type III, or “Born Heroes”: This type of game shares important elements with fantasy stories such as X and X. The characters begin life as something more than mortal and are better than mortals in almost every way. These characters not only begin with the incredible talent and skill necessary to flourish in the heroic life, but they also go out of their way to accomplish great deeds and to prove themselves as heroes to the world.
 

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Tequila Sunrise said:
Type III, or “Born Heroes”: This type of game shares important elements with fantasy stories such as X and X. The characters begin life as something more than mortal and are better than mortals in almost every way. These characters not only begin with the incredible talent and skill necessary to flourish in the heroic life, but they also go out of their way to accomplish great deeds and to prove themselves as heroes to the world.

I would look to mythology for these heroes - The Epic of Gilgamesh, The Ramayana, stories of Hercules, etc.
 

Starman said:
I would look to mythology for these heroes - The Epic of Gilgamesh, The Ramayana, stories of Hercules, etc.


I'd agree with Starman on this. Hercules is definitely a Type III hero - he strangles two serpents sent to kill him while still a baby.

Most of the Greek Heroes are either Type II or Type III, as they are literally half mortal and half god.

Roger Zelazny's "Amber" books also contain plenty of Type III characters - although not all are heroic.

Conan is arguably a Type II hero.
 

For type II I instantly filled in Fafrd and the Grey Mouser. They never wanted to be heroes but when the opportunity arose they quickly fell into the heroic mold. At the end of the first book (swords against deviltry?) they resolve to wander the world until they forget their loss.
 

Arguably, the Lord of the Rings has all three types of heroes.

Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin are Type I heroes

Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli and Boromir are Type II heroes.

Gandalf is a Type III hero.

For other examples of Type II and Type III heroes, Ged Sparrowhawk of the first three Earthsea books seems to me to be an example of a Type II hero (although the first book starts before he received much formal training) and Belgarion of the Belgariad and Malloreon is arguably an example of a Type III hero.
 

While I see your point - what about those heroes that fall between?

The Merry Men and particularly Wil Scarlett and Alan-a-Dale would be Type I.V - In the case of the Merry Men, common folks that tried to thumb their noses at society and then were given a leader that showed them how to do it correctly. Wil and Alan were former nobility of little or no consequence that though trained, turned tale and hid, until shown the errors of their ways. Possible I.III/IVs.


Perseus was definitely between the Type II and III molds - a solid Type II.V.
Born of deific blood, but raised in peace and obscurity. Was thrust upon the stage of heroism by the gods and quickly rose to the challenge and even went a little beyond.
 

Thanks for the ideas everyone. I've been banging my head into the wall, but seem to be having a persistant brain fart.

Thunderfoot said:
While I see your point - what about those heroes that fall between?
This isn't meant to be a "three sizes fit all" situation...a lot like alignment. These three game types will actually be an introduction to a flexible fantasy game system I'm working on. They're just meant to give a GM guidelines for what level to start the PCs at, what point buy to use and to define the general tone and plot hooks of the game.

TS
 




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