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Message: <blockquote data-quote="frankthedm" data-source="post: 1344487" data-attributes="member: 1164">Side ones were more of a waste run off than water resuviors. left one sometimes gets fresh water,but is not as clean as prime. the  right one is pretty bad and that sounds like a plan.Stats- some are as weak as a human while others range from bugbear to ogre sizes in this area. The actual fishfolk i am using here get bigger as they age and only die if "killed violent-like." so advancing by levels and HD are both options. thanks for the suggestion of PK's stuff.Good idea for the kraken fight-though the party going here will be lower level and i was hoping the pc's outsmart it rather than outright combat it. There is a very real chance that if the group proves to be too dangerous the kraken will leave the deep ones to thier own devices. [ dropping a nasty enough poison into the main cistern IS a viable option as is roleplaying and convincing a dwarf leader to send out a team of assaunt diggers to reck the place and drop destruction into the pit.] -if the krakens improved grab kicks off, the pc is likely dead - pulled into water means weapon is 1/2 damage in most situations, to say nothing of the krakens damage output against that poor character.Thanks Deriigible.The way i was concieving this dungeon was the old standby of depth = danger where lower you go the worse things get. while the pcs are low level to start i was hoping to make this the campainge dungeon. The main well center area will be safer than the areas within other than it being high traffic.other hostiles  A group of  demon tainteds orcs and evil under-elves has also found thier way into the cistern inhabiting some areas- bad blood abounds  A grouping of either lizard folk[includes troglodites] or serpent people hold the fallen temple to moradin and nearby area for the heat of the forge. Given fuel from the dying prayers of the last dwarven priest, it will not extinguinsh untill the last invader is cast out.   Restless spirits of the dwarves will be a wildcard. Most will attack, but some may be put to rest or put to use attacking the other creatures in the cistern.  Should the Deep ones lose the kraken and are given time, a shoggoth* may be called forth from a distant deep one oupost.* A big loathsome bloblike creature. sort of like a advanced shapeshifting black pudding with eyes and mouths and a disposition slighty uglier than the rest of it.</blockquote>

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