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<blockquote data-quote="The Souljourner" data-source="post: 1652679" data-attributes="member: 1622">I've just seen too many people talk about bards being useless and crappy, even among my own play group... and it's usually because we'll be on a dungeon crawl (they do happen in most campaigns, at least once in a while), and their 8 strength, 10 con bard just can't do anything in the combat against anything with a high will save or immunity to mind affecting abilities.If you're in a very RP heavy campaign, and spend a majority of your time in town, then yes, you could do very well with a skills based bard... but if you're in a typical D&amp;D campaign that has a lot of fighting as well... you're going to wish you had put more emphasis on combat abilities. It's not like my build ignores charisma or anything... heck, with 32 point buy you can even have 16 charisma... can't argue much with that.&nbsp; I just think that if you ignore a bard's base attack bonus and neat combaty spells, then you're selling yourself short.-The Souljourner</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Souljourner, post: 1652679, member: 1622"] I've just seen too many people talk about bards being useless and crappy, even among my own play group... and it's usually because we'll be on a dungeon crawl (they do happen in most campaigns, at least once in a while), and their 8 strength, 10 con bard just can't do anything in the combat against anything with a high will save or immunity to mind affecting abilities. If you're in a very RP heavy campaign, and spend a majority of your time in town, then yes, you could do very well with a skills based bard... but if you're in a typical D&D campaign that has a lot of fighting as well... you're going to wish you had put more emphasis on combat abilities. It's not like my build ignores charisma or anything... heck, with 32 point buy you can even have 16 charisma... can't argue much with that. I just think that if you ignore a bard's base attack bonus and neat combaty spells, then you're selling yourself short. -The Souljourner [/QUOTE]

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