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<blockquote data-quote="StGabe" data-source="post: 3376051" data-attributes="member: 49275">I don't get the reference (don't use Eberron either) however I simply disagree that dimension door isn't placed at 4th level for a reason.&nbsp; You are proposing Dimension Door Lite which is going to do most of the things you want Dimension Door to do.&nbsp; In some respects it is even better because you can cast this spell on someone else and let them Dimension Door away without you having to be there and because it is a Swift Action to be activated and could be cast before combat.Example of a situation where it is superior to Dimension Door: cast on Rogue; have rogue sneak attack enemy or go into some very dangerous situation and do something; have rogue swift action dimension door back to safety on the same round.&nbsp; You can't do that with Dimension Door, a 4th level spell, and you can do that with this.Thinking on it more I would argue that it is the same level as Dimension Door and certainly no lower than 3rd level.You seem to be concentrating on the effect it would have if cast in combat.&nbsp; However it's much more useful out of combat or before combat.&nbsp; It lets you walk right out of prison.&nbsp; It lets you instantaneousl climb a cliff.&nbsp; As expressed it lets you walk right into a bank vault.&nbsp; First level players using abilities like that will completely break many intended challenges.&nbsp;&nbsp; And cast before combat it can be used to huge effect for only a 1st level slot.&nbsp; I'm not so much worried about the first level caster casting it in combat (although out of combat it's still pretty broken for a 1st level caster) as I am about the 10th level casting it (with a 60ft teleport range) and it only costs him a 1st level slot....Your DC for Abduct still isn't completely clear.&nbsp; Is there an ability modifier on the DC (i.e. a Wizard applies int bonus to his DC's)?&nbsp; If so, which ability score does it use?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StGabe, post: 3376051, member: 49275"] I don't get the reference (don't use Eberron either) however I simply disagree that dimension door isn't placed at 4th level for a reason. You are proposing Dimension Door Lite which is going to do most of the things you want Dimension Door to do. In some respects it is even better because you can cast this spell on someone else and let them Dimension Door away without you having to be there and because it is a Swift Action to be activated and could be cast before combat. Example of a situation where it is superior to Dimension Door: cast on Rogue; have rogue sneak attack enemy or go into some very dangerous situation and do something; have rogue swift action dimension door back to safety on the same round. You can't do that with Dimension Door, a 4th level spell, and you can do that with this. Thinking on it more I would argue that it is the same level as Dimension Door and certainly no lower than 3rd level. You seem to be concentrating on the effect it would have if cast in combat. However it's much more useful out of combat or before combat. It lets you walk right out of prison. It lets you instantaneousl climb a cliff. As expressed it lets you walk right into a bank vault. First level players using abilities like that will completely break many intended challenges. And cast before combat it can be used to huge effect for only a 1st level slot. I'm not so much worried about the first level caster casting it in combat (although out of combat it's still pretty broken for a 1st level caster) as I am about the 10th level casting it (with a 60ft teleport range) and it only costs him a 1st level slot. ... Your DC for Abduct still isn't completely clear. Is there an ability modifier on the DC (i.e. a Wizard applies int bonus to his DC's)? If so, which ability score does it use? [/QUOTE]

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