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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jin_Kataki" data-source="post: 3876025" data-attributes="member: 42730">The way I understand it from how we do it in the game I play in is this... and it may differ from the RAW.Subject A declared he wants to grapple subject BAs Subject moves in close to subject B to make this attempt subject B gets the oppurtunity to fend off the advance with an attack provided he has not used his AoO already that round.  If said attack connects it interupts Subject A's grapple attempt.If Subject B's attack fails then make opposing grapple checks.  If Subject B loses this opposed roll he is grappled.Now as far as any of these feats and abilities and what not for the monk go.  I don't know anything about it.  I have never heard of doing damage with a grapple unless the subject is pinned and you are taking negatives to attack him while you have him pinned.  Now again the way we do it may not be by the way it is supposed to be done.  However since it seems to me that the normal purpose of grapple is to subdue and not to damage I think the way you are describing it becoming weak at higher levels makes sense.  Anyway that is just my two cents I don't think it really answers any of your issues.</blockquote>