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<blockquote data-quote="R_kajdi" data-source="post: 3876175" data-attributes="member: 24709">That's the other thing I never figured out. Why would you damage in the grapple like this when you could just attack at -4 normally while in the grapple? Is it just a case of doing whichever is easier in the monk's case? I know animal and such should fight in the grapple, because it does way more damage.&nbsp;&nbsp; So pinning is more like a submission hold kind of thing, and grappling is the pre-hold struggle. Got it now. &nbsp;&nbsp; This is the part that confuses me. Does this mean a ghoul (with claw/claw/bite) would get one grapple try or three? I thought I saw that grapple tries were based off BAB irregardless.&nbsp;&nbsp; This is also confusing. Does a guy with two weapon fighting get more grapple attempts also?&nbsp;&nbsp; He's got cunning grappler, so the size issue is half mitigated already, and his BAB should be okay from 5 levels of reaping mauler. I'm not saying he's overpowered, I was just trying to figure out if I screwed something up with the grapple rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="R_kajdi, post: 3876175, member: 24709"] That's the other thing I never figured out. Why would you damage in the grapple like this when you could just attack at -4 normally while in the grapple? Is it just a case of doing whichever is easier in the monk's case? I know animal and such should fight in the grapple, because it does way more damage. So pinning is more like a submission hold kind of thing, and grappling is the pre-hold struggle. Got it now. This is the part that confuses me. Does this mean a ghoul (with claw/claw/bite) would get one grapple try or three? I thought I saw that grapple tries were based off BAB irregardless. This is also confusing. Does a guy with two weapon fighting get more grapple attempts also? He's got cunning grappler, so the size issue is half mitigated already, and his BAB should be okay from 5 levels of reaping mauler. I'm not saying he's overpowered, I was just trying to figure out if I screwed something up with the grapple rules. [/QUOTE]

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