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<blockquote data-quote="Occhronustinrist" data-source="post: 2090835" data-attributes="member: 22215"><p>Rystil,</p><p></p><p> Yes, you and the others have raised very good points. I have grossly overlooked a few things in my post. I just picked up the Expanded Psionics Handbook last week and missed the limit on PSP vs Manifester Level. </p><p></p><p><strong>Moreover,</strong> in the spirit of fairness, I also frown on the use of rules-gerrymandering in order to affect an "instant kill" on a PC. As a DM, you have access to anything. Given time and research, it is always possible to come up with something that kills with no save. I agree that we should move away from those tactics. </p><p></p><p> The problem remains that the Queen has trapped herself in a situation where she is forced into a toe-to-toe showdown with the party. She is literally gambling with her life. This appears to me an unreasonable undertaking in that, she does not appear to be fighting the party on her own terms.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> True. (See Above) However, we still need to know what the Manifester Level/StatBlock of the Psion actually is. I just noted one poster listing her as 25th Level. I had guessed at 18th. That would allow the expenditure of quite a few extra points (16 or so on average) without resorting to the use of Overchannel.</p><p></p><p>Example: Assuming Caster Level 25; Max Intelligence Mod = +6 [22 Int @ (-2 Racial)(+6 level)(18 Base)]; and a Feat Mod of +2</p><p></p><p>Dominate would therefore be DC 22 (Base10+6+2+4=22)</p><p>Dominate costs 7 Pts, allowing for +4 to the DC for a final total of 26 = not too shabby.</p><p></p><p>The archer is looking at a total Will save around 10, granting about a 20% chance of saving. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True, in that case - Decerebate and cut off his Brain Stem. DC 25?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, these are probably better options. What options do we have for the use of <em>Prayer, Recitation, Righteous Wrath of the Faithful, Unhallow,</em> or other reciprocal buff spells to prepare the Queen's Folks? Stylisically, I don't think clerical support is right for this encounter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, the schismed mind should both manifest and maintain the dominate. (Which would consequentially lower the application of additional PPts...sigh)</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>As above, let's move away from instant-kills...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>-Yes, this should be scrapped (Even though a heart attack would be fun).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>-I meant it as a regular power selection. I do think that this is a very good tactic against spellcasters and should be kept.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>-Good Point. This will also depend on the size of the room. You can only spread out so much. The Energy burst should select Sonic as the medium. I have yet to see a group protected against this. This will be based on Morris's group history. There is also no reason that the Queen (or her minion) was not scrying on the combat with her sister to watch the group's patterns. Thus, she should be able to anticipate what protections are in effect. </p><p></p><p><u>Back to tactics.</u></p><p></p><p>-In response to the player's ability to counter the illusions and invisibility: Remember that every detection spell cast results in an offensive spell not being cast. Just because it can be countered does not invalidate the tactic. Use these kinds of obstacles to delay the party's ability to take the offensive. The defensive-minded player is not killing your NPCs.</p><p></p><p>-This is a group of Psionic Creatures. They are aware of their vulnerability to magic and should prepare for it. Having an item charged with <em>Dispel Magic</em> would be ideal. There should be something that will attack that, like a magic-eating monster (Nishruu -FRealms??)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Occhronustinrist, post: 2090835, member: 22215"] Rystil, Yes, you and the others have raised very good points. I have grossly overlooked a few things in my post. I just picked up the Expanded Psionics Handbook last week and missed the limit on PSP vs Manifester Level. [B]Moreover,[/B] in the spirit of fairness, I also frown on the use of rules-gerrymandering in order to affect an "instant kill" on a PC. As a DM, you have access to anything. Given time and research, it is always possible to come up with something that kills with no save. I agree that we should move away from those tactics. The problem remains that the Queen has trapped herself in a situation where she is forced into a toe-to-toe showdown with the party. She is literally gambling with her life. This appears to me an unreasonable undertaking in that, she does not appear to be fighting the party on her own terms. True. (See Above) However, we still need to know what the Manifester Level/StatBlock of the Psion actually is. I just noted one poster listing her as 25th Level. I had guessed at 18th. That would allow the expenditure of quite a few extra points (16 or so on average) without resorting to the use of Overchannel. Example: Assuming Caster Level 25; Max Intelligence Mod = +6 [22 Int @ (-2 Racial)(+6 level)(18 Base)]; and a Feat Mod of +2 Dominate would therefore be DC 22 (Base10+6+2+4=22) Dominate costs 7 Pts, allowing for +4 to the DC for a final total of 26 = not too shabby. The archer is looking at a total Will save around 10, granting about a 20% chance of saving. True, in that case - Decerebate and cut off his Brain Stem. DC 25? Yes, these are probably better options. What options do we have for the use of [I]Prayer, Recitation, Righteous Wrath of the Faithful, Unhallow,[/I] or other reciprocal buff spells to prepare the Queen's Folks? Stylisically, I don't think clerical support is right for this encounter. Yes, the schismed mind should both manifest and maintain the dominate. (Which would consequentially lower the application of additional PPts...sigh) As above, let's move away from instant-kills... -Yes, this should be scrapped (Even though a heart attack would be fun). -I meant it as a regular power selection. I do think that this is a very good tactic against spellcasters and should be kept. -Good Point. This will also depend on the size of the room. You can only spread out so much. The Energy burst should select Sonic as the medium. I have yet to see a group protected against this. This will be based on Morris's group history. There is also no reason that the Queen (or her minion) was not scrying on the combat with her sister to watch the group's patterns. Thus, she should be able to anticipate what protections are in effect. [U]Back to tactics.[/U] -In response to the player's ability to counter the illusions and invisibility: Remember that every detection spell cast results in an offensive spell not being cast. Just because it can be countered does not invalidate the tactic. Use these kinds of obstacles to delay the party's ability to take the offensive. The defensive-minded player is not killing your NPCs. -This is a group of Psionic Creatures. They are aware of their vulnerability to magic and should prepare for it. Having an item charged with [I]Dispel Magic[/I] would be ideal. There should be something that will attack that, like a magic-eating monster (Nishruu -FRealms??) [/QUOTE]
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